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To: Ilaine who wrote (55607)10/29/2002 11:57:00 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Ah, that's very sad, CB. I was hopeful we would get through this spate of back and forths without too much personal damage being done. So I tried to resist the personal stuff.

As I said, I've been very surprised by the tone of your posts today. And said so. But tried to do so by simply remarking how uncharacteristic they were.

Bill was right all along on this one, that it was too hot a topic for this thread to handle.

Best we all walk away and cool down for a while. Take a deep breath. Get some sleep. Do something to calm down.



To: Ilaine who wrote (55607)10/29/2002 11:57:46 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
In case you hadn't seen this story. Note the last line:

EDITORIAL: B'tselem on trial

At a session held in Gaza City on Monday, the Palestinian Authority's State Security Court sentenced Haidar Ghanem, a human rights worker and journalist, to death by firing squad after finding him guilty of collaborating with Israel. As a field researcher for B'tselem in Rafah, it appears that Ghanem's real crime was his habit of asking local Palestinians the types of questions PA officials find potentially embarrassing. Though Ghanem did admit in court to having served as an informer, there is reason to believe that his confession was forced.

Indeed, shortly after his arrest, B'tselem issued a statement saying it was "deeply concerned that Ghanem was arrested because of his work with the organization. B'tselem also fears that the purpose of his arrest is to deter human rights workers from carrying out their work honestly and with the intention of uncovering the truth." The group further noted that the PA often tries suspected collaborators before "kangaroo" courts, and expressed its concern "that torture is being used in Ghanem's interrogation."

That an organization such as B'tselem would make such allegations against the PA is a sure sign of just how severe the situation in the areas it controls has become. The group has a long record of sharply criticizing Israel, while turning a blind eye to systematic Palestinian violations of human rights.

In the past few months alone, B'tselem has alleged that Israel "willfully adopts the tactics of terrorists," accused IDF soldiers of being "trigger happy," and bemoaned what it termed the "IDF's loss of any moral compass." Its press releases, too, often parrot Palestinian propaganda.

Interestingly, though, B'tselem and other like-minded groups have been largely silent about the PA's habit of trampling on the most basic of civil liberties that is, until it affects them directly. In the past two weeks, the PA sentenced three other Palestinians to death for "collaborating," while another received a life sentence. But it is only now, when one of its own employees is the victim of the PA's version of jurisprudence, that B'tselem sees fit to come out in full force against the PA's record on human rights. Perhaps, if B'tselem had devoted its energies over the past decade to highlighting the PA's dismal record, many of the abuses now taking place under PA auspices might have been avoided.

Indeed, if Arafat's speech Tuesday in Ramallah is any indication, PA violations of human rights seem destined to continue. Speaking to the Palestinian Legislative Council, he again insisted that he plans to hold elections in January. The election scheme, together with the approval of a new PA cabinet, are designed to project the image of a new, sleeker PA, one that has reformed its ways and abandoned the corruption and malfeasance that have come to typify its rule.

As Ghanem's lightning trial and all-but-predetermined conviction make clear, though, Arafat's reforms are little more than window dressing. His new cabinet is a Palestinian version of the Soviet-era Potemkin village, which was built primarily to fool foreigners into believing the Russians had really created a workers' paradise. Likewise, Arafat is hoping that the "international community" will be taken in by his reshuffling of various ministerial posts, thereby deflecting the mounting pressure upon him from Israel and the US.

But democracy is far more than just a matter of who holds which position. It is, at its core, about the values of freedom that guide a society and the protections put in place to safeguard those freedoms from tyranny and abuse. With the Ghanem trial, and those of the other "collaborators," Arafat and the PA have demonstrated once again that rather than laying the groundwork for democratic reform, they would much rather serve as obstacles in its path. Maybe if the Palestinians had a B'tselem of their own, better progress might be made.
jpost.com



To: Ilaine who wrote (55607)10/30/2002 12:19:23 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Respond to of 281500
 
Culture & Ideas 11/4/02
BY JOHN LEO

Leaving the left behind

Everywhere you turn these days someone on the left is denouncing President Bush as Hitler, Satan, a terrorist, or a tyrannical emperor. A Yale law professor said Bush is "the most dangerous person on Earth." A famous editor referred to Bush as "a lawn jockey" and "Pinocchio," magically transformed into a "great leader" by 9/11.

Some of the angry rhetoric flirts with the fringe idea that the United States planned the terrorist attacks. A Purdue professor said that "there is no ground to be certain" that America and Israel aren't behind the 9/11 attacks. A Columbia law professor compared 9/11 to the Reichstag fire in Nazi Germany?Bush is not responsible for 9/11, the professor said, but he exploited a national disaster to suspend civil liberties, just like Hitler. A Berkeley professor helpfully pointed out that some Indonesian groups think the United States planned the Bali bombing.

The rhetoric accurately reflects the current condition of much of the left?bitter, stymied, alienated, politically impotent, full of loathing for America and the West, and totally unable to address the crisis wrought by 9/11, except to imply (or say) that the United States deserved to be attacked. The left has lost its bearings, Michael Walzer, the political philosopher, wrote in the spring issue of Dissent, the leftist magazine he edits. His article, "Can There Be a Decent Left?" deplored "the barely concealed glee" of the left's reaction to 9/11 and a lack of "any visible concern" about how to prevent terrorism in the future.

"Many left intellectuals live in America like internal aliens," he wrote, "refusing to identify with their fellow citizens, regarding any hint of patriotic feeling as politically incorrect. That's why they had such difficulty responding emotionally to the attacks of September 11 or joining in the expressions of solidarity that followed." The favorite posture of many American leftists, he said, is "standing as a righteous minority, brave and determined, amid the timid, the corrupt, and the wicked. A posture like that ensures at once the moral superiority of the left and its political failure." He said the left needs to discard its "ragtag Marxism" and its belief that America is corrupt beyond remedy.

Standing for murder. Solidarity with people in trouble is the most profound commitment that leftists make, Walzer said, but even the oppressed have obligations, and one is to avoid murdering innocent people. "Leftists who cannot insist upon this point, even to people poorer and weaker than themselves, have abandoned both politics and morality for something else." An example of that abandonment came at the University of Michigan's pro-Palestinian conference October 12-14, which could not bring itself to criticize suicide bombings. Save us from moral appeals that leave room for blowing up families in supermarkets.

Journalist Christopher Hitchens resigned from the Nation magazine after 20 years, citing its antiwar stance on Iraq. Saddam Hussein, he wrote in his farewell column, is "a filthy menace" and "there is not the least doubt that he has acquired some of the means of genocide and hopes to collect some more." He thought the Nation had become "the echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden." In another article, he wrote, "I can only hint at how much I despise a left that thinks of Osama bin Laden as a slightly misguided anti-imperialist. . . . Instead of internationalism, we find among the left now a sort of affectless, neutralist, smirking isolationism" and "a masochistic refusal to admit that our own civil society has any merit."

Ron Rosenbaum of the New York Observer said Hitchens "forced a lot of people on the left to confront their blind spot, their on-bended-knee obeisance to anyone in the Third World who posed as a 'liberator,' from Mao to Castro to Arafat and the Taliban." Rosenbaum's comments came in an article on his own defection, "Goodbye, All That: How Left Idiocies Drove Me to Flee." One trigger: A well-respected academic said he welcomed 9/11 because it gave Americans a chance to reassess their past honestly, as Germans did in the 1960s. "I couldn't take it anymore," Rosenbaum wrote. "Goodbye to all that . . . the inability to distinguish between America's sporadic blundering depredations" and Hitler's Germany. Goodbye to the refusal to admit that "Marxist genocides" slaughtered some 20 million to 50 million people in Russia, China, and Cambodia. And goodbye to the "peace marches" like the one in Madrid where women wore suicide-bomber belts as bikinis. " 'Peace' somehow doesn't exclude blowing up Jewish children," Rosenbaum wrote.

We owe a debt to Walzer, Hitchens, and Rosenbaum. Now, will their articles make any difference to our hyperalienated left?

usnews.com



To: Ilaine who wrote (55607)10/30/2002 8:44:04 AM
From: Condor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
you have no courage. Maybe you are too old for courage.

Where the hell is FL?

C