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To: PCSS who wrote (2080)10/30/2002 5:22:14 PM
From: The Duke of URLĀ©  Respond to of 4345
 
Workstation makers switch off Intel tool

By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
October 30, 2002, 1:17 PM PT

Intel's hyperthreading, a performance-enhancing technology that lets one chip act something like two, has been available on workstations since April. But so far it's mostly been taking a nap.

Hewlett-Packard and Dell, among other workstation manufacturers, have been shipping their systems with the function turned off, according to company representatives. Right now, workstation makers say, the broad array of software used in that segment of the market doesn't take advantage of the technology yet. Users, though, can easily turn the hyperthreading function on if they wish.

Although the situation will change, the wrinkle in the workstation market--where Intel said users could see performance benefits of up to 30 percent on select applications--underscores the difficulties in gaining broad acceptance and use for a new technology. Only 30 applications had been fully optimized for Intel's Pentium 4 processor in the first nine months the chip was on sale.

Conceivably, the workstation experience could also provide a litmus test of what some PC makers might do with hyperthreading come Nov. 14, when the technology arrives on desktop computers.

If not enough desktop software comes out that is separated into multiple computing strands, a process known as threading, computer makers may decide to keep the new Intel technology dormant, said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. With other software, hyperthreading could even be a drawback.

"If you are running single-threaded applications, it will reduce your performance," Glaskowsky said.

Intel disputes this. Although a small number of applications might see a minor dip in performance, "the very, very vast majority of applications" will benefit or, at a minimum, not be affected when running on Windows XP, said Shervin Kheradpir, director of performance benchmarks at Intel.

Users running multithreaded applications, such as Photoshop, will see up to a 25 percent to 30 percent boost in performance, Intel said. Users running two applications at once will see similar performance boosts and experience far fewer hang-ups.

An Intel representative said the company is recommending that PC makers turn the technology on in upcoming Windows XP machines.

Nonetheless, the company acknowledged that acceptance in the workstation market remains largely on hold because software adjustment takes time.

The threading primer
Hyperthreading, announced in August 2001, is Intel's take on simultaneous multithreading, a microprocessor design concept that essentially makes a chip behave more efficiently. With threading, different regions inside the processor, such as the floating-point unit for decimal math and the integer unit, can process different applications, or application threads, at the same time.

In contrast, most current processors behave like a wood chipper, processing threads in a fairly linear fashion. Therefore, many of the traditional processor's resources remain dormant while others work.

When the technology was announced, Intel said that a workstation with hyperthreaded Xeon chips running Alias-Wavefront, a graphics application, achieved a 30 percent improvement in tests.

To operating systems and applications, chips with hyperthreading look like two chips, and that's where the hitch lies. Software needs to be broken into threads before it can run on two chips simultaneously.

In the server market, applications and operating systems have already been threaded. In workstations, the practice isn't as prevalent, said an HP representative. As a result, the function is turned off in the company's X4000 workstation.

"In workstations, hyperthreading remains application dependent," added a Dell representative, who likewise said that Dell's Precision 530 workstation comes with the function turned off. Both HP and Dell, though, make it easy to turn on.

With upcoming desktops, the situation will be reversed. Windows XP has been optimized for the technology and so have many applications.

Performance gains will be the largest when the application is also threaded (as well as optimized specifically for hyperthreading), but gains will still occur on unvarnished applications, said Dean McCarron, an analyst at Mercury Research.

"I'm fully expecting at least a modest improvement" in most situations, McCarron said.

Still, Glaskowsky said problems could occur with single-threaded applications even on a multithreaded operating system. If the processor is running two threads, the chip has to split its cache--a reservoir of memory located on the processor--and other shared resources. Historical examples have shown that regular software run on computers with two chips runs worse than on single-processor boxes.

"You need something that was designed to run on two processors," said Glaskowsky. Otherwise, "it adds a dose of dissatisfaction."



To: PCSS who wrote (2080)10/31/2002 6:42:49 AM
From: PCSS  Respond to of 4345
 
OT - off to spend my 7mo-winter in FL later this morning, exchanging 30s for 80s <GGGG>

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Benchmark Shows HP ProLiant Servers Running Linux-based Sendmail Email Solutions Outperform Sun Platforms

FRANKFURT, Germany, Oct 31, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (HPQ) and Sendmail, Inc. today announced the results of a performance benchmark testing Sendmail's email software on industry-standard HP ProLiant servers vs. proprietary Sun systems. The results show that significant price/performance benefits and better message throughput are achievable when Sendmail's software is deploying mail and messaging solutions on industry-standard hardware running Linux, as compared to more expensive Sun servers running Solaris.(1)

Performance testing indicated that Sendmail software running on two- and four-way HP ProLiant servers with SuSE Linux Enterprise 7 and the Reiser Filesystem was significantly better than Sun servers running Solaris in message throughput, price and performance.

For example, the two-way, IA-32 HP ProLiant DL380 server running Linux outperformed and has a lower acquisition price than a two-way, 64-bit, Sun Fire 280R running Solaris. The HP ProLiant DL380 running Sendmail Switch(TM) delivered 30 messages per second while a Sun Fire 280R delivered only 19 messages per second.(2) The HP ProLiant DL380 server costs $6,463 while the Sun Fire 280R costs $16,490 (price includes Veritas file system).(3)

"With this proven solution from HP and Sendmail, running Linux on ProLiant servers, MobileCom has now in its hand a highly performing and reliable email service," said Mickael Ghossein, chief executive officer of Mobilecom, a leading wireless provider in the Middle East. "This solution will allow us to serve our rapidly growing customer base with the innovative services needed to stay ahead of our competition."

Additional tests revealed that the HP ProLiant DL580 server running Sendmail Advanced Message Server(TM) and Linux was capable of serving 14,000 users at approximately 100 percent concurrency (with all users logged in and working at the same time). By comparison the Sun Fire V880 server running Solaris was only capable of serving 9,000 users at approximately 100 percent concurrency. The price of the HP ProLiant DL580 server, including fibre channel storage, is $48,603 while the Sun V880, including T3 storage and the Veritas file system, is $190,095.(3)

"HP is seeing a growing number of customers adopting Linux on industry-standard HP ProLiant servers as an alternative to more expensive Sun systems running Solaris," said Judy Chavis, worldwide director of Linux, HP Industry Standard Servers. "HP is committed to providing these customers with tested, proven, Linux-based solutions, like Sendmail's email products, allowing them to deploy cost-effective, reliable Linux solutions with confidence in their enterprise infrastructure."

"Sendmail's email software on HP ProLiant servers provides customers with a secure, flexible and high-performance email solution that is optimized for Linux," said Greg Olson, chairman and co-founder, Sendmail, Inc. "This solution delivers the best price-performance when compared against Sun systems."