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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (65031)	10/31/2002 11:47:09 AM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Yep. Real sh*tbag material... I find it hard to imagine the sort of dementia it must take for CH to actually believe that he could sincerely call for Laz, myself or anyone else for that matter to apologize. IMO, he seems to have a very serious mental deficiency..... JLA

To: Neocon who wrote (65031)	10/31/2002 11:47:24 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

If I felt a unilateral apology were the appropriate way to go, I would. I don't.

To: Neocon who wrote (65031)	10/31/2002 1:18:15 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Perhaps it would help if you would be clear with me exactly what you think I have done that you think demands an apology. Let's look objectively at the facts. 1. I signed up for and purchased the right to post and receive posts on SI. Is that anything to apologize for? 2. I agreed to post in accordance with SI's TOU. Apology needed? 3. Poet at some point also signed up to post and receive posts on SI in accordance with the TOU. 4. Over time, I posted, entirely within the TOU, various messages to Poet. Is that anything to apologize for? 5. Poet requested that SI impose conditions on my posting that violated SI's legal obligations to me. Is that anything for me to aplogize for? 6. SI agreed to that limitation, and enforced it until I objected and demanded that they comply with their contractual agreement with me. Is that what you're asking me to apologize for, that I insisted that I be entitled to use a service I had purchased according to the terms of the purchase? 7. Some of the posts I made to Poet were not welcomed by her. Is that what you want apologized for? Because if posting posts that are not welcomed by a recipient is a basis for apology, there are a whole lot of apologies due around here. If such conduct merits apologies, then I suggest you volunteer to collect, by PM, apologies from everyone here who has posted unwelcome posts to everyone they have posted such posts to, and when you have collected the full set of such apologies, publish them as a single joint apology. Even though I personally don't believe that apologizes are necessary for such postings, if it is the universal feeling of the thread that such postings deserve apology, I will accept that. Language for such apologies might be : "I apologize to ___ that I posted to [him/her/him or her where gender is unclear] some posts on this thread that were unwelcomed by [him/her]. Each of us can give you a list of those persons who we feel have in the past made unwelcome posts to us. I suspect that some of the lists might be somewhat lengthy. 8. I made some posts to Poet after she had asked me not to post to her. I note that all those posts complied wth the SI TOU. Again, that is a not unfrequent practice on this thread -- several posters here whom I have in the past asked not to post to me continue to do so. However, if that is something that the thread believes deserves apology, the foregoing process could be followed and once you had collected all the apologies by PM you could publish them in a joint apology. Let's also, while we're at it, look at some of the things I did NOT do that others have done. I did not take my disagreement with her to 3d and threaten her, her family, or her livelihood. I did not try to limit her opportunities to benefit from posting on SI by asking SI to violate her contractual rights. I did not try to limit her opportunities to benefit from posting on SI by setting up threads where she was prohibited from posting and by encouraging other posters not to post to her. You yourself know how much this was done as the recipient of such attacks, none of which have been apologized for. There are other things I could add, but to what effect? Since you have said you think I owe an apology, I just want to be clear precisely what you think it is that I have done or written that deserves an apology, and I want to have such principles consistently complied with. BTW, I am specifically asking that this post not be responded to by E, Poet, Laz, or jla, since none of them are capable of objectivity with regard to this issue. If they do reply anyhow, which replies I will ignore, and you decide that unwanted posts, or posts made contrary to the expressed wishes of the poster, deserve apologies, you will have a good place to start seeking such apologies.