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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (65077)	10/31/2002 4:31:11 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I am not sure what point you are trying to make here but I'll try to work with it. There are multiple transactions going on in your example. "It is like the story in Matthew of the man who forgave his servant, who then went out and berated his own debtor. If you want God to forgive you, you have to forgive others. That's who the deal is with. Matthew offers to forgive a debt to his servant. I assume he knew that the servant was having difficulty or unable to pay the debt. I also assume that the servant made some sort of plea to be given consideration and made some sort of assurances to Matthew about the matter so Matthew was generous and forgave the thing. Now they have some clear air in which to deal with one another. They can start fresh. Matthew does not expect any kind of payment before they negotiate further and the servant feels that no past encumbrance is being held over him in his dealings with Matthew. Complete reconciliation between the two. Now we find that the man is not willing to extend the same generosity that he requested from Matthew. When Matthew learns that he decides the servant is not deserving of his forgiveness and withdraws the offer. So, this is another issue. Apparently Matthew determines that the man does not deserve forgiveness. This may be an umbrella that encompasses the 3 criteria I mentioned earlier. 1 recognise the fault, 2 express remorse, 3 demonstrate intent to do right, There seems to be some disconnect in your conclusion. "But if we say to God "I want forgiveness of my debts from you, but I'll only forgive my debtors is they pay me back first," that's not the way it works." Maybe you meant something like, one should mend his fences before going to seek forgiveness from God.