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To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/1/2002 5:45:37 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Respond to of 23908

It is perhaps a rough interpretation of one of the hadiths...look hard...You can be sure that bin dyin interpreted to his liking...

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/1/2002 6:00:55 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Iraq VP Sends U.S. Harsh Warning By DUSAN STOJANOVIC Associated Press Writer AP/Ali Haider [21K] NOVEMBER 01, 17:06 ET BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — Saddam Hussein's deputy warned Americans on Friday they would be ``sent to hell'' if they attack Iraq. Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan also called on the U.N. Security Council to prevent the United States from pushing through a tougher resolution about Iraq's weapons programs, seen by critics as an automatic green light to attack. ``The aggressors will be sent to hell if they attack Iraq,'' Ramadan told reporters. He called on Russia, China and France, all three veto-holding Security Council members, to reject the U.S.-sponsored draft resolution that threatens Iraq with ``serious consequences'' if it does not allow U.N. weapons inspectors unhindered work when they return to Iraq. ``There is no need for a new resolution,'' Ramadan said, ``but the U.S. administration is exerting economic and political pressure in order to force some countries to bow to the U.S. demands.'' The United States does not want the inspectors to return, Ramadan said. Instead, ``It wants either that Iraq refuses the formula proposed by the U.S. administration so it can say that Iraq is not complying with U.N. resolutions, or that the inspectors come with obstacles that prevent them from performing their job properly.'' The Bush administration wants the Council to support a resolution that strengthens inspections, warns Iraq of ``serious consequences'' if it fails to cooperate, and declares that Iraq is still in ``material breach'' of its obligations to get rid of its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs. The administration said it was working on a new version of its resolution, but it wasn't clear whether it would address Russian, French and Chinese opposition to language they believe could trigger U.S. military action against Baghdad.

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/1/2002 10:23:39 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Ron. Ya think the Russians missed the politically correct scene. LOL......... GO PUTIN. Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin 08:07 Oct-31-02, 25 Cheshvan 5763 According to the Moskovski Komsomol newspaper, Russian security forces have decided to bury the terrorists from last's week's hostage siege wrapped in pig's skin. The aim is to deter potential Islamic terrorists from future attacks. Shahidi (Jihad martyrs) believe by their nefarious acts that they ascend immediately to heaven. Using their beliefs against them, wrapping their corpses in 'unclean' pigskin prevents them from entering heaven for eternity. israelnationalnews.com

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/2/2002 5:36:57 AM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

I don't think I have seen any positive line on Jews in the Kuran. But since I only went through that book once, and not five times a day, I am no expert...

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/2/2002 4:56:19 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 23908

Q: What does Islam say about Christianity? A: Islam teaches that Christians and Muslims are both "people of the book." By that it means that the two religions share the same basic beliefs articulated through the Bible and the Koran. The main difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who was granted special powers by God to show people the power of God. Q: What does Islam say about Judaism? A: Islam teaches that Jews and Muslims are both "people of the book." By that it means that the two religions share the same basic beliefs articulated through the Torah and the Koran. The main difference between Jews and Muslims is that Jews do not believe in the prophets after the Jewish prophets, including Muhammad and his teachings. Muslims, on the other hand, believe in all the prophets including Moses, Ibraham, Jackob, Ishmael, Issac and Jesus. usatoday.com Tom

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/2/2002 5:00:22 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Islam demands that Muslims honor, respect, and protect the People of the Book. azerilink.homestead.com Tolerance to the People of the Book in the Qur'an unionoffaiths.com

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/2/2002 5:01:17 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

The Qur'an recognizes the legitimate multiplicity of religious convictions and laws. In one such passage, for example, the Qur'an asserts: "To each of you God has prescribed a Law and a Way. If God would have willed, He would have made you a single people. But God's purpose is to test you in what he has given each of you, so strive in the pursuit of virtue, and know that you will all return to God [in the Hereafter], and He will resolve all the matters in which you disagree." [Qur'an 5:49] On this and other occasions the Qur'an goes on to state that it is possible for non-Muslims to attain the blessing of salvation: "Those who believe, those who follow Jewish scriptures, the Christians, the Sabians, and any who believe in God and the Final Day, and do good, all shall have their reward with their Lord and they will not come to fear or grief." [Qur'an 5:69; 2:62] No duress is permitted in religion: "There is no compulsion in matter of faith." [Qur'an 2:256; 10:99; 18:29] bostonreview.mit.edu

To: Bris who wrote (17472)	11/3/2002 10:36:18 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Respond to of 23908

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" 9:29 As we see clearly in this verse (which is commonly called the verse of the sword) there is only one way out for pagans (or infidels) to be spared from being slain. They should repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity, i.e. become Muslims. As for people of the book we read the verse in the same sura v. 29, which tells us the way out of being killed “until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” They have to pay protection money and accept to be subdued, i.e. second class citizens, even if they live in their homeland. We see this put into practice in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and all the Middle Eastern countries that were conquered by Muslims in the first 100 years of Islam. The ancestors of the Christians who live there now suffered a lot to stay Christian. Now, there is a fiqhi rule that has to be taken into consideration when studying this: i.e. what is considered is the absoluteness of the utterance, not the specialization of the reason for the revelation. That is, they follow the letter, not the spirit of the law... In other words Muslims scholars when they make a judgement they consider the Quran and Mohammad in the light of their meaning not in the light of reasons of revelation. The Hadeeth The Hadeeth are the sayings of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. They are the second source of Islamic doctrine. The Hadeeth completely agree with the Quran (concerning violence and co-existence). Hadeeth have the same concept of abrogation, and the same historical characteristics. That is, Muhammad’s teachings were very peace-loving at the beginning of Islam, but then came sayings such as: Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: Muhammad said: “I swear by Him who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter.” In his Musnad (vol. 2, p. 50) Imam Ahmed narrates by Ibn Omar: “the Prophet said: ‘I was sent by the sword proceeding the judgment day and my livelihood is in the shadow of my spear and humiliation and submission are on those who disobey me.’” Omar Ibn al-Khatab said: “I heard the prophet of Allah saying: ‘I will cast Jews and Christians out of the peninsula and I won’t leave any one in it but Muslims.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 2, No. 28, from the Muhaddith program[2]) Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ibn al’Ashraf), “Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.” (El beddayah wa alnihaya – Ibn Katheer – vol. 4 – in the chapter on killing Ka’ab bin al’Ashraf)