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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (65632)	11/4/2002 1:58:25 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I think that it takes all three elements to get the complete picture of what happened. If we deal with one problem at a time we can potentially draw some conclusions. Where the problem involves personal conflict reaching consensus even on one issue is difficult. It is a complex world. If it could be three it could also be 20. Do you think all three (or twenty) need to be addressed for any progress on any one one to be made? To add the "vigilantee on speed" element reminds me a little of the clinton presidency. In that, before we could determine a resolution to his dilemma we had to evaluate Hide, Gingrich, etc. etc. etc. which of course led to more disorder. "Vigilantees on speed" exist within and outside of this particular episode of SI. Each of us posters has his or her personality that can be picked at on any given day regardless of the issue that has remained unresolved now for two years. At a few points in time we were at the door of resolution. My observation is that at each of these points personalities, and issues that coexist have been promoted over resolution of the problem. This has been done primarily by X and CH as far as I can see.

To: Lane3 who wrote (65632)	11/4/2002 2:07:39 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

If two can co-exist, then three can co-exist. I submit that, as a reaction to one and two, some folks conducted themselves like vigilantes on speed. If you think this is true, then you were not paying attention. J.

To: Lane3 who wrote (65632)	11/4/2002 2:18:34 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Well put. Which is why I think the air only really gets cleared when everybody who has acted improperly at times in this situation comes forward and admits that and apologizes to those they have wronged.

To: Lane3 who wrote (65632)	11/4/2002 2:42:47 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I submit that, as a reaction to one and two, some folks conducted themselves like vigilantes on speed. What would you have had us do? Sit back and simply watch bullyboy beat up Poet and trash E? We really should have intervened earlier; looking back, I wish we had stepped up and defended YYB and you. But if you think our actions were unjustified, I'd like to submit a small collection of posts to you and see if you can justify them. We can do this publicly or in PM. Your choice. But what you seem to be saying is the cops should just sit back and watch bloody murder. Nuts!