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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (65851)	11/4/2002 10:00:18 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You may also recall that some months back I offered X a quid pro quo "let bygones be bygones" agreement. She threw it back it my face. It was an honest, serious offer on my part. It may have been honest in your mind, but you had established by then a record of not sticking by your deals, so it's hard to know if she had accepted how long it would have been before you violated that one, too.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (65851)	11/4/2002 10:23:56 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

<io>You can't have a world where X or anyone else is free attack someone or a group and they are forever expected to hold their fire. I haven't said a word about attacking X. Nada, zip, zero. I'm not sticking up for X. You're right, she would probably call it ludicrous. This is not about treatment of X. I'm saying that one of X's hobby horses is bullying gangs. The subject has been discussed bunches of time and she's been very clear about her special interest in it. I think the thread had just had a discussion about an article on middle-school girl cliques and how nasty they were. I recall Maried comparing the thread to it in the early days of SMBR. Given X's interest in this behavior, it's not unexpected that she would be provoked by what could be interpreted as gang activity. There were a number of people who were discomfited by it. Some effort could have been made to reassure or mollify them. When you launch a campaign, it's a good idea to get as many people on your side as you can, or at least avoid their allegiance to the other side. You don't push them away. Duh!

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (65851)	11/5/2002 5:08:17 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"You may also recall that some months back I offered X a quid pro quo "let bygones be bygones" agreement. She threw it back it my face. It was an honest, serious offer on my part. The "I don't make deals" X would have none of it." I remember that. X cannot afford to be vulnerable. It is safer to watch it on a movie. "She made her own free choice about where she ended up." I wonder how "free" such choices really are? Do we know what X endured in childhood in her own intrapsychic solitude? Some learn to build a causeway between minds. Others have intercourse with movies and "interact" with words. I don't think any of us are free to criticise how the twig is bent in others. Much of "maturing" is random luck and circumstance...