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To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (5241)11/7/2002 10:31:16 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15516
 
Amen!



To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (5241)11/7/2002 11:13:17 PM
From: Mephisto  Respond to of 15516
 
You are right, Pat! We should yell and scream at our Democratic leadership. I don't blame Daschle
as much because I don't understand how anyone who is or was the leader of the Senate would have
a great deal of time to speak up for the party. The duties of pushing legislation b4 the Senate must
be awesome, and he had to go back to South Dakota to mend fences.

Senator Daschle has been harshly attacked by the Bush people even though he wasn't running
for office. They ran very nasty campaigns even though Daschle wasn't campaigning. I heard Daschle
tell one of the news anchors that he had never been through such an experience.

Now, I hope that Senator Daschle will find the time to speak out on the issues with a very loud voice.
I understand why you are angry though.



To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (5241)11/8/2002 12:00:08 AM
From: Mephisto  Respond to of 15516
 


Tiptoeing to Defeat


"There was a time when Democrats had some fire. "I never give
them hell," said Harry Truman. "I just tell the truth and they think it's hell."


The New York Times

November 7, 2002

By BOB HERBERT

The Democratic Party is like an army that dutifully goes off to battle
but leaves its ammunition and its principles behind. It's bad enough to lack
the firepower that you need to win. It's worse to not even know what you're fighting for.

Despite the economic burdens that the middle and working classes
are shouldering, despite the two million jobs lost and the scandalous
concentration of wealth and income in the precincts of the very rich,
the Democrats have yet to offer a compelling alternative to the reverse Robin
Hood policies of the G.O.P.

Throughout this year's campaign, the Democrats let the president
bang the cynical war drums on Iraq whenever and however he wished. Other
important issues - the economy, employment, the administration's
appalling environmental record, the threat to abortion rights and civil rights
posed by the president's federal court nominees - were largely
pushed aside, to the delight of Republicans nationwide.

Republicans didn't win control of the Senate on Tuesday.
The clueless Democrats lost it.

There was a time when Democrats had some fire. "I never give them hell,"
said Harry Truman. "I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." That
was then. Now the Democrats proceed on tiptoe, always afraid
they might say the wrong thing, vote the wrong way, get burned. The party of
Roosevelt, Truman and the Kennedys has morphed into the party of timidity.

Consider the fiasco in Minnesota. Many of the Democrats who
loudly lamented the loss of Senator Paul Wellstone in a plane crash had for years
considered his fierce commitment to principle to be, at best, a little weird.
He had an agenda and there was room in it for working people and the
poor. Democrats have come to think of that as dangerous terrain.

But when Senator Wellstone died, the national Democrats, panicked
at the prospect of losing their one-vote hold on the Senate, were quick to
exploit the sympathy factor in an effort to save his seat. And that backfired.

When a televised memorial for the senator turned into a now-notorious
campaign rally (at which Democrats were cheered wildly and some
Republicans were booed), voters were turned off in large numbers. It was
a fiasco that extended beyond Minnesota. Not only did the Democrats
lack a message, they seemed also to lack class.

The bottom line: Paul Wellstone was actually ahead in the polls
at the time of his death. Walter Mondale, who was dusted off and sent out to run
in his stead, was defeated.

In New York, which should be Democratic heaven given the party's
lopsided registration advantage, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Carl
McCall, lost to the Republican incumbent, George Pataki, by 16 points.
Mr. McCall, a decent, affable man, did little more in the campaign than
wave his résumé. He rallied no one and he lost big time.

The leadership void among Democrats is dangerous for both the party
and the nation. The courts are being shaped by right-wing Republicans for
decades to come. And there is a particular need for elected officials willing
to fight for the interests of ordinary families and individuals who are
struggling to keep up with such fundamental expenses as mortgages and tuition.

Affordable housing is a huge national issue, and alarms that are increasingly
loud are summoning our attention to the problems of hunger and
homelessness. These are issues that get incredibly short shrift in a plutocracy.
They are Democratic issues. Or at least they were when the
Democrats had some fire.

A fresh start is needed. New voices and new strategies must be heard.
It's time for Democrats everywhere to look in the mirror and determine who
they really are, and what they really stand for. Those who favor what the
Republicans favor are not really Democrats.

Lyndon Johnson is not held in very high esteem at the moment,

which is too bad. He never ran away from the poor and working people. He brought
us Medicare and Medicaid and student loans and Head Start and Upward
Bound and consumer protections and housing assistance - just a whole
litany of those sorts of things.

But that was another era, when Democrats had energy and ideas
and values they believed in and the courage to lead.

nytimes.com



To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (5241)11/8/2002 5:41:54 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 15516
 
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

What a fatuous bunch of crap!

What reeking manure!

This is a perfect example of why your party lost: mean-spirited, over-the-top hatred, mendacity, and stupidity.