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To: gg cox who wrote (4738)	11/8/2002 2:00:04 AM
From: Peter W. Panchyshyn	Respond to of 11633

Rather than a one worder here's a few liner ..Here is a 5 year chart of NT.. using your method show me where you would have started to accumulate NT on weakness 5 years ago .. ------ There is one major flaw in your bringing up that chart of NT. It only looks at the last 5 years. And it does not adjust that past data for the splits that have occurred. Something which must be done to reflect what the investor would have experienced. Also to do the proper analysis you would ideally have to go back and use the numbers for the entire trading history for NT. To get more data points for the regression analysis. The more data used the better your analysis will be. Thats going back to its first year. As I said I use its past trading history not just a portion of that past history. Doing that the data must be adjusted for all the stock splits that have occurred. To properly reflect what the investor has experienced. The chart you show only indicates where the splits have occurred. No adjustment to the past prices has been done. Adjustments must be made because when a split occurs the person holding that stock has the same value net just before and just after the split. The split does not cause that value to change. For example. Person A has $250,000 (value) worth of stock B that value is made up of 5000 shares at $50. The stock splits 2 for 1. He now has 10000 shares at $25. The chart you show doesnt reflect what has really happened for the investor holding it. For the investor one share did not just drop in half because of the split as your chart only shows. What really happened for him from the split was he got two shares and the price dropped in half. So for the past data (price) to remain consistent with what has really happened it must be adjusted to reflect what has happened. The reference I have cited previously FP DATAGROUP DIVIDEND RECORD AND 10 YEAR PRICE RANGE show the last 10 years for example split adjusted as in the table below. Confirm for yourself. You can also go over the similar past tables I posted in past postings for ERF and NCF which also are split adjusted. ----------- 2001 ---- 61.10 high --- 7.50 low 2000 ---- 124.50 ------ 46.25 1999 ---- 74.95 ------ 19.00 1998 ---- 25.06 ------ 10.41 1997 ---- 19.44 ------ 10.43 1996 ---- 11.25 ------ 6.95 1995 ---- 7.56 ------ 5.39 1994 ---- 6.38 ------ 4.52 1993 ---- 7.30 ------ 3.44 1992 ---- 7.31 ------ 4.73

To: gg cox who wrote (4738)	11/8/2002 2:58:25 AM
From: Peter W. Panchyshyn	Respond to of 11633

Look at the 5 year chart and consider what you said above..You would be holding the bag until it went rotten in your hands..just like the two "real life" examples I gave you who were caught in this disaster. ---- The truth of the matter is that your real life examples did not take advantage of the sharp fall and the resulting sharp recoveries that followed. As I stated and the real math will confirm this. Even if you sufferred a 90% loss. Getting a 300% gain by taking full advantage of the lows presented and the recoveries that followed means what??????? 300% - 90% = 210%. A 210% gain. Your argument was that they were too pissed off, or too scared to do it or just plain couldnt do it because they tapped themselves out at the high end. Thats not the strategies failing thats theirs. ------ You can go on at length if you wish and try and wiggle out with a ten year chart or whatever ------ Its not wiggling out its using all the data that is available to reach the correct conclusion. You want to point A and point B in time discredit it. I provide another point A and point B in time to show it holds. Which time series provides the best evidence and is supported by real time happenings going forward???? Your time series states that NT is on the verge of bankruptcy and will disappear. Did that happen????? NO. My time series states that NT will likely recover and recover enough going forward (be it one time or several times) to erase the previous losses and even provide some gains. Thats exactly what happened afterwards real time as we have seen. ITS DOCUMENTED. We saw it in the past for LUS.UN , for MXT.UN , and for NT. Your just sore because you could not or would not take advantage of it. Thats not the strategies failing thats yours. As I said a few lurkers out there took advantage of what I said and bought NT between $0.67 and $1. And sold at just under $2. They are laughing all the way to the bank. While your crying like a baby because you missed out on the obvious. And that obvious was that NT wasnt going to disappear any time soon as many feared. Fear and greed are the investors worst nightmare. Fear that you feel it will just disappear leaving you with nothing, when it doesnt. And greed at the other end when you think it will just keep going up and up and you have to catch it or you will miss out. Both are disasters and both can be avoided when you just stick to the facts and the data. AS I DO AND AS I SAY. ----------- ..I have read it all before anyway so all you get from me is a sighhh. ----- You'll only respond with sighs because the numbers , the facts and data I present will stand up to all you can throw at it. And I will remind you once again that I and only I (here in this forum) correctly called the events (documented) which came to happen going forward real time. NT did bounce around that $2 range as I stated in that posting to Lorne and that it would likely do so again going forward and that a person could trade those for some nice gains and that those gains from these trades could erase any previous losses. And thats what happened for those willing to do so. For those others that didnt for whatever reasons ,they ,like you can cry because they didnt do it and missed the boat. -------------------

To: gg cox who wrote (4738)	11/8/2002 3:45:35 AM
From: Peter W. Panchyshyn	Respond to of 11633

finance.yahoo.com ------ In regards to your chart above. I provide this to clarify the point made. And that point is that the chart does not reflect what truly has happened to the share price over the years as it applies to a holder of that share. Look up a chart for the trust PWI.UN from that yahoo. When doing so it states that no one year or any number of years charts are available. According to that that means that PWI is less than a year old. That does not jive with the facts. Its been around since '97. Confirm that yourself. They dont acknowledge the effect of the split that happened early this year (few months ago) and give a false response saying it wasnt around before that time of the split. Thats false -------- ------ Take a look at yet another site which supplies past charts for stocks graphs.telenium.ca graphs.telenium.ca That chart shows that a PWI unit jumped from $6 to $25. Taking that as it is shown says that because of the split an investor in PWI.UN gained over 400%. Thats also a false response. Thats not what happened at all. ------ ------ Its a good idea to look closely at what you present. Because when you read it wrong it only makes you look foolish and worse yet doesnt go anywheres near proving the point that your trying to get across. --------------------

To: gg cox who wrote (4738)	11/8/2002 5:21:51 AM
From: Peter W. Panchyshyn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 11633

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