To: average joe who wrote (33936 ) 11/10/2002 7:47:09 PM From: 2MAR$ Respond to of 39621 Well , you have to understand that Buddha was adressing his "monks" who had already taken the vows of chastity and renunciations that were common to the "Sages of the Forests" of India . If you want even stricter and sterner rules to follow you go back to the Saint/Sage Mahavira before Buddha and Jainism , which is completely devoted to Ahimsa or the non-harming of living things , so that even the number of steps each day are limited, or milk and water strained so as to not trod upon or accidentally drink any other living thing . That is where the "perrenial philosophy" or the "teachings of the forest" arise that are seen running as threads down from ancient Hinduism to the Essenes of Israel and on into monastic orders and traveling monks following Jesus...actually Christianity is spread the most by these renunciate orders following the monastic traditions of the Buddha and sages of India as it spread . Not by the sword."If the woman be old, regard her as your mother, if young, as your sister, if very young, as your child. The samana who looks on a woman as a woman, or touches her as a woman, has broken his vow and is no longer a disciple of the Tathagata. The power of lust is great with men, and is to be feared withal; take then the bow of earnest perseverance, and the sharp arrow-points of wisdom. That to me is very beautiful , and it is a great old saying in India to treat every woman as you would your own mother . And there have been alot of peace-loving beatniks that have changed the world , LOL...they even invented PCs! ;-) PS: They threw Henry David Thoreau in jail for not paying a war-tax when the government was waging the the great "Spanish-American" War (A war to remember if there was one )...Emerson wanted to know what Thoreau was doing in jail and Thoreau replied : "What are you doing out there ?"