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To: StormRider who wrote (623)	11/10/2002 8:38:29 PM
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Now, that's a weird response. First of all, my post was simply pasted from another SI post, so took five minutes to make. And you write, "don't you believe you'd get a better understanding of islam if you contacted and learned from a good muslim to hear things from the "horse's mouth" instead of going to these "let's bash islam" sites?" But I have done exactly that. To my disappointment, no Muslim has responded to any specific concern of mine. Fulminating isn't responding. I posted the below in an attempt to hear "from the horse's mouth." You seem like a person who could respond to these questions and issues if you chose not to be evasive, but to address my sincere questions and concerns. Will you, StormRider? Please consider doing it. Quotes from my posts of today: ~ I'd be interested in comments from any Muslims about... ~If some religions are characterized by the oppression of women, for example, there is no reason not to admit this and defend it--if the practicers of those religions think it's defensible. ~I'd be interested to hear from any Muslims here what they think about this young woman's campaign: ~I'd be interested in comments from any Muslims on this subject. I posted the article on Islam, the Message, and got a reply I felt was unresponsive. Message 18217368; ~[In response to an anti-Muslim post]: I don't find that article impressive. The same thing could be done with the Bible, and biblical figures, or with the Talmud. But the "quotes" from the Quran... Why the interpretations are necessary, I don't know, if those are actual quotes. I wonder if the purported quotes are themselves interpretive, or tendentious. I wonder if there's a Muslim reader here who asserts that those "quotes" do not appear in the Quran? ~What I really wish is that that prediction will turn out ot be untrue, and the moderator, and others who are to some degree an expert on the subject of the Muslim faith, would address (or explain, or defend) what purport to be quotes from the Quran or the Sahih Muslim Hadith. There are precious few places where a non-Muslim has the opportunity to hear from a Muslim how he or she feels about such quotes. ~Below is a list that doesn't claim to be quotes, but is supposed to be a summary... I would be interested to know, also, whether this is an accurate summary, and what most contemporary Muslims think of this: That's seven separate requests for "horse's mouth," as you put it, assistance from a Muslim. I'll try to give specific examples: 1. Are the quotes from the Quran that were posted made up, translated inaccurately, or are they actual quotes? 2. Are these assertions that have been made on SI, for example, about Islam tenets, or guidelines, accurate: ~The fact that merit has 100 components, only one of which is attributable to women while 999 are attributed to men. ~a woman is supposed to stay secluded in the house and covered when she goes out, and if she ~is liable to be divorced, but can't divorce her husband ~if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so ~The fact that 2 women's testimonies have to be set against the testimony of one man. ~a husband has the right if his wife is mischievous or immodest to beat her up (though not to break her bones) ~a woman is forbidden to perform extra prayers without the permission of her husband STORM RIDER, PLEASE ANSWER RESPONSIVELY. If it's true, but justified in you mind, please explain, item by item, how these things do not represent terrible oppression of women, and therefore justify the same sort of reaction that genital mutilation evokes in the western mind and that many Muslim practices evoke in the mind of the Muslim woman Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has had to go into hiding for speaking openly about them, as described in this article: Message 18216814