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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9109)	11/11/2002 5:05:17 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

<<...funny how European experts and leaders have a 180-degree opposite outlook on both the brevity of an Iraqi war and the costs involved we are delusional in the USA since when will tanks and jet fighters get the job done? they didnt do shit in NYCity on 9/11 F16 were shiny and clean on the ground at the time...>> jw: interesting points... How about the $30 billion/year that we spend on Intelligence Gathering -- do the CIA and FBI really provide us with an effective early warning system..? Saddam and Iraqi forces are kid's stuff compared to the global asymetrical threat that we face from Al Qaeda and their affiliates. regards, -S2 btw, a prolonged war and occupation of Iraq would give Al Qaeda plenty of ammunition for their recruiting efforts.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9109)	11/11/2002 5:13:25 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

took about three years 1860-1865, and a lot of blood. lurqer

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9109)	11/11/2002 5:44:47 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

we are delusional in the USA We don't even know how delusional. There are unexplained events that may be Al Qaeda or may not. The administration disinformation campaigns make it untrustworthy. A security officer at the U.S. Embassy in Kathmandu has been shot dead by unidentified assailants .... The U.S. Embassy in Kathmandu confirmed the killing but refused to speculate on the possible reasons. "All we have to say at this point is that the Embassy regrets the loss of life," said Constance Jones, a spokeswoman for the embassy. cnn.com

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9109)	11/12/2002 1:20:51 AM
From: Conan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Jim, I think that a war in Iraq would end quickly with one exception. I wouldn't count on the major advances taking a long time. Remember all the pundits talking about Afghanistan as a "quagmire" about 13 months ago? We will quickly take the southern Shiite half of the country from Kuwait with minimal resistance. The northern quarter that is mainly Kurdish-controlled will also fall quickly into our hands. American forces from Jordan will quickly take the Scud launching areas of western Iraq which is a desert. The tough part will be the metropolis surrounding Baghdad. Digging Saddam out would be tough and costly and the local populace will not cooperate. Based on the number of taxi drivers I have met who used to live in Baghdad I would say that the only people left in that area are people with low self esteem who won't dare to oppose Saddam. Expect some type of urban siege to go on for months with lots of cat and mouse games and the population slowly bleeding out of the area for food and safety. Many UN types and Europeans will be complaining about the suffering of these people while we stand by to avoid casualties. There will be some raids into this area but nothing on a large scale. Saddam will probably elude our grasp but I expect we will eventually control the whole country. Conan (former Special Forces detachment commander)