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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (19790)11/12/2002 3:07:26 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27666
 
You wrote:-

"As for what Islam, should do, it should have an Enlightenment, as Europe did in the eighteenth century, and join the modern world. David Warren has some good thoughts on the subject.......

Nadine, I personally do not think an enlightenment is possible given the present level of sophistication of most of the Moslems in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Enlightenment is a gradual process and it takes time and a building up to it. Right now, most good Moslems pray five times a day while facing in the direction of Mecca, and are highly fatalistic about the will of Allah. When things go wrong, they simply say, "Mekthoub." To me, this has the effect of confining their potential to do more for themselves and their countrymen. And when they act against non-Moslems, they are fond of yelling, "Allah u Akhbar." Little is done to improve the social condition. I hear that their obsession with increasing their population (for there is safety in numbers) ever exacerbates their social condition, and the rich and the haves do little to help the have-nots.

The Europeans were able to enjoy an era of enlightenment because they had already gone through a period of Renaissance, had reached out far beyond the confines of their own countries, made advances in commerce, in science and the arts, and in philosophy and mathematics etc. Enlightenment cannot happen at the flick of a switch or push of a button. There must be a gradual build-up to it. Remember: "Not by revolution but by evolution are all things achieved in permanence."



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (19790)11/12/2002 8:15:32 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27666
 
Al-Jazeera airs yet another Osama tape
13th November 2002

DOHA -- Osama bin Laden hailed the spate of terror attacks in the Arab world and Asia as well as last month's Moscow hostage-taking, and threatened US allies, in an audiotape attributed to him and broadcast by Al-Jazeera Television late on Tuesday.

'As you assassinate, so will you be (assassinated), and as you bomb so will you likewise be,' he said in the broadcast, against the background of a photograph of the Al-Qaeda terror network's leader, in turban and khaki jacket, a rifle at his side.

In the message to 'the peoples of countries allied to the United States', he warned them against the 'alliance between their governments and the United States to attack us in Afghanistan'.

He cited 'Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia'.

He hailed the attacks 'on Germans in Tunisia, on the French in Karachi, on Australians and Britons in Bali, against the French tanker in Yemen and against the US Marines in Failaka (Kuwait), as well as the recent hostage-taking in Moscow, all of which were the response of Muslims eager to defend their religion'.

'Australia was warned about its participation (in the war) in Afghanistan and its ignoble contribution to the separation of East Timor (from Indonesia). But it ignored this warning until it was awakened by the echoes of explosions in Bali,' the speaker said.

'If you suffer to see your (people) killed and those of your allies in Tunisia, in Karachi, in Falaika, Bali and Amman, remember our (people) killed among the children of Palestine, in Iraq...and in Afghanistan,' he added.

'As you look at your dead in Moscow, also recall ours in Chechnya.

'For how long will fear, massacres, destruction, exile, orphanhood and widowhood be our lot, while security, stability and joy remain remain your domain alone,' he asked.

Saying such an imbalance had come to an end, he added: 'It is high time that equality be established to this effect,' promising more terrorist operations against Western targets by young Muslims 'committed before God to pursue jihad (holy war)'.

The Qatar-based satellite channel did not provide any details on how it obtained the tape but said it showed that Osama was still alive at least until the Moscow hostage-taking in late October or the Oct 28 killing of a US diplomat in Amman.

A former Afghan commander said in Pakistan on Monday that he was still alive and hiding in Afghanistan. -- AFP



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (19790)11/14/2002 10:02:11 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 27666
 
Terrorism Has 'Everything To Do With Islam,' Author Charges
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
November 13, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - President Bush wasted no time, following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, in exonerating Islam and reminding Americans that the violence had been committed by freedom haters. Islam, the religion the terrorists claimed to represent while carrying out their attacks, actually stood for peace, the president insisted.

Fourteen months after the attacks, the 19 hijacker/terrorists are still considered heroes by certain elements of the Islamic community around the world.

A would-be shoe bomber, Richard Reid, and an alleged would-be dirty bomber, Jose Padilla, have seen their attack plans foiled in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001. But the accused Beltway Sniper, John Muhammad, and his alleged teenaged accomplice John Malvo, are believed responsible for a multi-state shooting spree that culminated in the killings of ten people in the Washington, D.C., region, before they were captured.

Reid, Padilla, Muhammad and Malvo all had one thing in common - a devotion to Islam.

Robert Spencer, author of Islam Unveiled and an adjunct fellow at the conservative think tank Free Congress Foundation, believes Islam's theological foundation is creating many of today's terrorists and would-be terrorists.

Spencer's book takes a critical look at the religion of Islam, its holy book, The Koran, its prophet Muhammad and concludes that the religion is producing violent behavior in a significant numbers of its adherents.

"The religious motivation [for terrorism] is paramount for millions of these people and if we don't recognize that, we are going to be ill equipped in the face of what we are up against," Spencer told CNSNews.com.

Spencer believes the U.S. is not prepared to fight a war on terrorism because the nation fails to understand the true nature of Islam.

"[Our leaders] are intent on insisting that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, when it has everything to do with Islam," Spencer said.

"When you are in a conflict and you don't know the true nature of your opponent, you are at a tremendous disadvantage," he added.

According to Spencer the "mainstream interpretation" of the religion of Islam is responsible for violent behavior because the text of the Koran has many passages inciting followers to violence.

"When the Koran says, 'Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them,' the extremists can point to that and many other verses of that kind and say: 'Look, this is what the religion teaches,'" Spencer said.

Moderate Muslims are "in the unfortunate position of saying: 'No that is not actually what it means,'" and can be "easily portrayed by extremists as being the disloyal party, the ones that don't take the Koran seriously," he added.

Moderates have a difficult time explaining away verses that incite violence because Islam teaches that the Koran was dictated word for word by Allah (God), according to Spencer.

"Muslims teach the Koran is the literal words of God in a stronger sense than Christianity believes the Bible is the word of God ... the Koran is more than inspired, it is dictated, it is actually God speaking. There is no human element," Spencer said.

"The moderates who might be fighting against Islam's dark side, have the disadvantage of having to go against the plain words of the text of the Koran," he said.

"There is no theological or geographical or denominational or any other kind of firewall between extremist Islam and moderate Islam," he added.

'Religion of Peace'

Islamic scholars and Muslim advocates dispute Spencer's research and the premise of his book.

Michael Young, editor of Islam For Today, rejects the notion that the religion of Islam is to blame for terrorist activities.

"Islam promotes itself first and foremost as a religion of peace ... Islam spread throughout Southeast Asia and Africa entirely by peaceful means," Young told CNSNews.com.

Young believes many people mistakenly believe Islam is a violent religion because of the "local culture" of some Muslim nations.

"Very often when Islam is in society for so long, people fail to distinguish between what is Islam and what is their own local culture," Young explained.

Young did concede however, "There are vocal people within in Muslim community who do harbor Taliban sympathies."

'Defamatory attacks on Islam'

Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), was more blunt in defending Islam from charges that it encourages terrorism.

"When people of other faiths commit crimes or violent acts, people don't generalize to the whole faith, but when a Muslim commits a violent act, somehow it is an indictment to their entire faith," Hooper told CNSNews.com.

"Muslims occasionally do bad things, so do Jews, so do Christians, so do Hindus, so do Martians," he added.

Hooper believes that since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, there has been "a new cottage industry of defamatory attacks on Islam."

"If you want to make a buck now, attack Islam," Hooper said. "When it is done to Christianity or Judaism, people in authority object. When it is done to Islam, it gets a pass," he added.

Young believes Islam's tarnished image among some Westerners is the result of some Muslim followers misinterpreting passages of the Koran, something that could happen in any religion, he said.

"If you are intent on committing a violent act, you can always find some religious text that smashes the heads of babies against rocks. If you choose to interpret in a certain way, you will find what you are looking for," Young said.

But Spencer, agreeing that many religions of the world have inspired violence among its adherents, believes Islam is by far the most culpable.

"There is no doubt that Christians and Jews and everybody else bearing every other name of every other religion have done terrible things, but that doesn't mean that every religious text is equal in capacity to inspire that kind of thing," Spencer said.

According to Spencer, the Koran takes the "Seventh Century warrior," Muhammad, and "canonize[s] him as the supreme example of human behavior."

"So that instead of being a Seventh Century warfare pattern that we ought not to follow, [Muhammad] becomes the model for how we should always behave. So this is the defect, this is the difficulty," Spencer said.

'Political Correctness'

Larry Johnson, a former CIA and State Department officer and counter terrorism expert, believes media and government officials are not dealing forthright with the threat of Islamic terrorists, because there is a "bit of political correctness still running afoot."

"We like to portray as a nation, Islam as a religion of peace, and it really isn't," Johnson said.

"As it is widely practiced, [Islam] doesn't encourage peace and it encourages violence, Part of that is that it has not had its own version of The Reformation. It is stuck in Middle Ages as Christianity or Judaism once was," he added.

"[Moderates] do not represent the majority thought in the Muslim world. They are very much on the defensive," Johnson said.

Johnson believes the radical Islam movement is the greatest national security threat facing the U.S.

"There is no other significant threat confronting us ... it gives people a reason to do what they do and to take risks and make sacrifices," Johnson said.

Johnson thinks a modern "crusade" may be necessary to battle Islam.

"I think George Bush was right when he called for a crusade, but it's not a crusade of Christians against Islam, as was a hallmark of the first Crusades. This is a crusade of [modern societies] versus a medieval thought process," Johnson said.

'50,000 Muslim Men'

In order to fight what he sees as a growing Islamic threat, Spencer proposes that the U.S. impose strict immigration limits on Muslims entering the U.S.

"Why were 50,000 Muslim men admitted to the country from Muslim countries since September 11?" he asked. When are we going to start being sane about immigration law?"

Spencer would also like to see mosques monitored by law enforcement for anti-American sentiment and any inciting of violence, ideas Hooper finds offensive.

"I live here too. I don't want to be attacked, but battling terrorists and defaming Islam are two different things," Hooper countered.

Spencer is not optimistic the U.S. will take the security threat of Islam seriously.

"Everyone is so afraid of being called a racist that they are afraid to take measures that are necessary to defend oneself," Spencer said
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