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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9224)11/13/2002 5:41:32 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
<<...The purpose of words is to deceive. When the deception is complete, the blame of failure is placed elsewhere...>>

Enron is a classic example of this...Kenny Boy, Skilling, and Fastow continue to take no responsibility for what happened to investors, employees and other stakeholders...We'll see if The Justice Department is able to punish them and hold them accountable for their actions.

-s2



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9224)11/13/2002 8:17:53 PM
From: pogbull  Respond to of 89467
 
Russia has gold coin now

Posted by Sting-Ray_57 on another thread

Moscow, 11 November: The Central Bank of Russia today put into circulation the gold coin with denomination of 25 Roubles and the silver coin with denomination of 2 Roubles in the "Sign of the Zodiac" series, with the image or Sagittarius depicted on both coins, the bank's external and public relation department reported on Tuesday [as recieved].

By VatoLoco. Rico Sauve

We have china opening up their gold exchange...The EURO with it's 15% gold backing...the Dinar to be traded between a billion Muslims. The Dollar with nada backing it.

The stage is now set for a fall in the dollar and corresponding leap in th "dollar reserve replacement value" of hold held in the BIS system. The point is clear for all to see...when a crashing dollar exchange rate comes from dollar price hyper inflation...and drains world liquidity and value from dollar holding...gold and EUROS will fill the void. It's not
an accident that the breaking of the world gold market structure and dollar pirce inflation has come just as the introduction of the EURO. EURO depth grows every day and brings in ever more players seeking operations value.

Now you know why gold must rise far, far higher than anyone expects or predicts. Now you kknow why our paper gold contract market is about to fail as a "freegold" physical market takes over. Gold in the many, many thousands is in our future as the transition to EURO reserve status is set to begin.<<



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9224)11/14/2002 12:44:45 AM
From: abuelita  Respond to of 89467
 
let's not mince words -
call it lunacy jimbo.

its not win-win.
its lose-lose.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (9224)11/14/2002 3:49:24 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Return of Bin Laden

As long as he can't be proven dead, he lives.

By Richard Cohen
Columnist
The Washington Post
Thursday, November 14, 2002

Ever since the Pentagon blew the battle at Tora Bora last year and apparently allowed Osama bin Laden to slip the noose, the administration has been busy playing down his importance. "We've tried hard not to personalize it," Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke said of bin Laden and his Taliban sidekick, Mohammad Omar. "This is a lot more than bin Laden and Omar," she said.

Yes, it's about failure.

The decision to de-emphasize the hunt for the two, especially bin Laden, seems "linked" -- that all-purpose Washington word -- to the fact that the United States has been unable to find him, either "dead or alive," in George Bush's unforgettable phrase. Specifically, it seems that bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora, where, U.S. intelligence now believes, he was present. It was a spectacular fiasco.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld set the administration's tone when he implied it didn't matter all that much if bin Laden was dead or alive since, in either case, his days as a master terrorist were surely over. "Wherever he is, if he is, you can be certain he is having one dickens of a time operating his apparatus," Rumsfeld said.

The commander of U.S. ground forces in Afghanistan, Army Lt. Gen. Dan McNeil, struck a similar note. He said the really important target was al Qaeda itself -- not its leader. "We don't have to find him, because we're going to shut down his terrorist apparatus," he said.

Now an audiotape purportedly from bin Laden has surfaced in the usual outlet for such things, the Arab satellite channel, al-Jazeera. Since the voice mentions such recent events as the bombing in Bali and the murder of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan, the tape has to have been made fairly recently. And since the Bush administration cannot show that bin Laden is dead, he will continue to live -- whether in fact, tape or myth -- in the imagination and yearnings of his followers, larger than life because he cannot be proven dead.

The obvious attempt to play down bin Laden's importance has a whistling-past-the-graveyard quality to it. In the first place, the existence of the new tape is a form of nose-thumbing. It shows the world -- particularly the Islamic world -- that the United States is not as all powerful as some people might suppose. It may be able to pound Afghanistan into rubble and possibly do the same to Iraq, but it is far weaker when facing terrorism -- the ol' asymmetrical warfare business. This is a lesson Israel learns on almost a daily basis.

Second, there was no al Qaeda before bin Laden, and while it might continue to exist without him, it would certainly be far less formidable. He bankrolled the organization with his personal fortune, but more important, he is a rare charismatic leader. There is no point in calling him names -- evil, for instance -- when no matter what we may think of him (and evil he surely is) he is a hero in parts of the world. For many reasons, he has become the personification of extreme Islam's war against the West, modernity and -- a rational person would suggest -- the welfare of its own people.

Last, I have to go back to Clarke, the Pentagon spokeswoman. She and her bosses may now choose not to "personalize" the search for bin Laden, but I -- and countless others -- feel differently. The man is a mass murderer who took more than 3,000 lives on Sept. 11 alone. He is responsible for other terrorist attacks as well, including the bombing of the USS Cole off Yemen.

Those of us who were in New York when the twin towers of the World Trade Center were hit, who were downtown when the buildings collapsed, can never forget that day. The sound of buildings snapping and then collapsing, people plummeting to their deaths or tumbling into an inferno of jet fuel, firefighters and cops rushing up stairs that would soon be pulverized, widows, orphans, a gash in the city that endures -- all this makes Sept. 11 very personal indeed. To this day, every firetruck rushing by -- the names of the dead embossed on the sides -- is a reminder of what happened, a blur of a memorial.

Osama bin Laden laughed at all this, his cackle caught on an earlier videotape. Now, in effect, he laughs some more. The murder of innocents in Bali, in Jordan, in Tunisia, in that Moscow theater -- the terrorism he applauds, if not supports, and which was mentioned on that tape, makes it imperative that he be captured or killed, and that we know for sure. That would be good policy -- and satisfying as hell.

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