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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 4:46:52 PM
From: Condor  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Please provide a link for that.

C



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 4:52:16 PM
From: slacker711  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay.

I dont particuarly believe much in this article....but I think it needs to be made overwhelmingly clear that nuclear deterrence still applies.

If 7 nuclear weapons went off in the US, there wouldnt be many muslims left alive in the world.

I hate to put that down in writing because it sounds so cold blooded....but the reality is that we would have done the same thing during the cold war. If Castro had launched 10 nuclear weapons from Cuba during the height of the Cuban Missle Crisis, our response wouldnt have been limited to Cuba.

They might be madmen but Al Qaeda does appear to have political goals. It needs to be clear that their wouldnt be any nations left in which they could pursue their goals if the unthinkable occurs.

Ugh....I feel ugly just writing this post, but no uglier than after reading that article.

Slacker



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 5:17:35 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
>>Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".<<

Too funny.

Now will y'all shut up about the Iraq-Al Qaeda connection?

>>Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil<<

I live my life every day as if this were the truth. There's one with my name on it. How about you?



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 5:17:46 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Former weapons inspector says war with Iraq inevitable

2 hours, 30 minutes ago

story.news.yahoo.com

PASADENA, California - Former United Nations (news - web sites) weapons inspector Scott Ritter says the U.N. resolution on disarming Iraq of weapons of mass destruction makes war inevitable.



"We're going to war, and there's not a damn thing the inspectors can do to stop it, and that's a shame. Inspections worked once and they can work again," Ritter said Wednesday night during a speech at the California Institute for Technology.

The wording of the U.N. resolution will allow the United States to attack by mid-December, said Ritter, who was chief weapons inspector for the U.N. Special Commission in Iraq from 1991 to 1998.

He resigned in 1998, in part because weapons inspectors were being used to justify the Desert Fox bombing campaign against Iraq, Ritter said. Although he's a Republican who voted for President Goerge W. Bush, Ritter spent much of his speech criticizing the administration.

"The U.S. has a policy regarding Iraq of regime removal. The last thing Bush wants is a weapons inspection regime that works. That would mean lifting economic sanctions and Iraq coming back into the fold with Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) still at the helm," Ritter said.

He said the U.N. resolution carries a hidden trigger allowing Bush to attack after the Dec. 8 deadline for a weapons declaration from Iraq, and noted that there will be four U.S. aircraft carriers in the region in December.

If Iraq does not declare any weapons on Dec. 8, it will constitute the false declaration described in the resolution. Ritter said this would trigger a Security Council meeting to consider serious consequences.

Under the resolution, however, false statements or omissions alone would not constitute a new "material breach" for the council to consider. During negotiations, France, Russia and others demanded that an Iraqi failure to cooperate also be required for a new "material breach."

The resolution adopted unanimously last Friday says "false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq ... and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in, the implementation of this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations and will be reported to the council for assessment."

During his years as a weapons inspector specializing in forensic archaeology, Ritter said the Iraqis lied at every turn, leading inspectors to dig up demolished ballistic missiles and track the serial numbers to their Russian manufacturer for confirmation that all existing missiles were destroyed.

With such detective work, inspectors confirmed at least 95 percent of all weapons were destroyed by 1996.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 6:26:57 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Karen, you should be ashamed for re-printing this kind of ludicrous, fear-mongering sensationalism.

Asia Times is a yellow-journalism rag.

Where are the author's sources? Why has the mainstream press, otherwise sensationalistic to the core, not picked up on this bit of "news" which, if even half-true, would be making enormous world-wide headlines?

Why this bit in the report?

Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.

Some caveat. They don't know who gave the interview. They "obtained" it from an unidentified source. A leading Islamist site did not print it. Hmmm....does that raise a few doubts in your mind? Why not mention these, ahem , uncertainties before swalling the story whole?

You are irresponsible and I now remember why I had you on "ignore." But you are the absolute perfect target audience for the kind of BS contained in that report.

Please use a bit of discretion and judgment before linking garbage like that here.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/14/2002 6:29:59 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Science fiction. If they had bombs here right now, or before 9/11, I can see no earthly they wouldn't have already used them, or tried to. Maybe they wanted to wait until after we drove them out of Afghanistan?

"Two or three planes, disassembled in barns..." That just doesn't sound tenable, it sounds like someone making up a story they think sounds convincing in order to scare people.

Why "disassemble" an airplane? Why hide it in a barn, in pieces? Why force yourself to have to reassemble it before "pulverizing" American cities? That's nonsensical. Sounds like the stories insecure kids tell to try to impress their friends.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/15/2002 12:39:23 AM
From: RON BL  Respond to of 281500
 
A better link is to financialsense.com which provides a great wealth of links to various sites. They believe in Gold and that we are in trouble. They tend to provide links to what is going on throughout the world that supports their view. On this page you will see a link to the article
(see middle of page).
financialsense.com



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (57120)11/15/2002 2:11:13 AM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Sorry folks, FBI is confirming this threat (hope they can pre-empt it), sends out alert:
Latest FBI bulletin warns of attempt by al-Qaida for 'spectacular' attack
sfgate.com
CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer Thursday, November 14, 2002
(11-14) 21:43 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

The FBI warned Thursday that al-Qaida is likely to attempt a "spectacular" attack intended to inflict large-scale casualties and damage the U.S. economy.

The latest FBI warning was circulated to law enforcement officials nationwide despite a lack of specific credible evidence. It has not led the Bush administration to raise the terrorist threat level above code yellow, or "elevated," which is the middle of a five-point scale of risk developed after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Yet, there is clearly worry that the danger is growing because of increased "chatter" picked up through intelligence channels, the continuing U.S. showdown with Iraq and the recently revealed taped warnings believed to be from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

"Sources suggest al-Qaida may favor spectacular attacks that meet several criteria: High symbolic value, mass casualties, severe damage to the U.S. economy, and maximum psychological trauma," says the alert, which was posted on the FBI's Web site after midnight when its existence was reported by The New York Times and The Associated Press.

"The highest priority targets remain within the aviation, petroleum, and nuclear sectors as well as significant national landmarks," the alert says.

The FBI bulletin, which is sent weekly to law enforcement officials around the country, contains no information about the time, place or method of a possible attack. But it warns that terrorists appear to be aiming for the maximum possible harm.

Federal authorities have previously issued warnings for those specific industries and national landmarks in general, but the FBI bulletin is unusual because of the dire language it uses.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said that although the terrorism risk level is not being raised for now, "We are taking additional precautions to meet the threat."

These include unspecified "additional steps to ramp up our protection and prevention measures" within federal agencies, McClellan said. The FBI and other agencies also are communicating possible threats and assessments of risk to state and local law enforcement agencies and specific industries that could be targeted.

In recent weeks, the FBI has issued warnings about possible attacks on U.S. railroads and on the energy industry, as well as a more general warning about heightened risk during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which started Wednesday and ends Dec. 5.

"We're especially sensitive to time frames which might be thought by the enemy to be a time when they might want to make a statement," Attorney General John Ashcroft said.

Last week, the State Department warned that Thursday's execution of Pakistani Aimal Khan Kasi in Virginia, could lead to reprisal attacks against Americans. Two days after his conviction, assailants shot and killed four American oil company workers in Karachi, Pakistan. Kasi was executed for killing two CIA employees in a 1993 shooting outside the agency's headquarters.

On Wednesday, the FBI told authorities in Houston, Chicago, San Francisco and Washington to be aware of threats against hospitals. Even though that threat was assigned low credibility by senior law enforcement officials, the FBI is preferring to err on the side of caution in terms of giving out information, officials said.

The idea is to increase vigilance among local police and people working in industries that are potential targets.

The recent nightclub bombing in Bali, Indonesia, the assault on Marines in Kuwait, and the attack on a French oil tanker near Yemen -- as well as the U.S. strike on a car carrying suspected terrorists, also in Yemen -- are described by several law enforcement officials as actions that point to an increased threat.

"If there was any doubt in anybody's mind that al-Qaida remains a dangerous threat to America or the world, I suspect it was dispelled with the string of attacks," Tom Ridge, director of the White House homeland security office, said Thursday.

It is up to Ridge and Ashcroft to decide whether a change in threat level is warranted. Ashcroft and Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson are among a few Justice Department officials who see the daily raw intelligence on terrorism gathered by the FBI, CIA and other intelligence agencies.

The threat level was elevated from yellow to orange for two weeks in September, to coincide with the first anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. It has remained at yellow since then, but the tense U.S.-Iraq showdown has lawmakers and the Bush administration on guard.

"I think that as we ratchet up toward Iraq, we have to believe that there will be attempts in this country anywhere, perhaps everywhere, to do us harm," Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on CNN.

Ridge and FBI Director Robert Mueller say the nation is far better prepared to detect and stop a terrorist attack than it was prior to Sept. 11, 2001. They say the intelligence sharing among agencies is vastly improved, as well as information about airplane passengers, people who enter through U.S. border crossings and students who lose their status and remain in this country.

Still, it remains a monumental task for analysts to sort through the information.

"One of the most difficult tasks in the intelligence community is segregating the information that may be helpful and useful from the disinformation that's looking to take us down the wrong path," Ridge said.