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To: FaultLine who wrote (57321)	11/15/2002 11:43:14 AM
From: aladin	Respond to of 281500

FL, To launch an armada against Hussein's own hostages, a people who have not fired a shot at us in anger, seems a crude and poor alternative to shrewd, disciplined diplomacy. It is thought provoking, but if diplomacy fails, then what? We have been at this diplomacy game for 11 years. Bush has forced the UN and International community to use diplomacy to enforce standards they agreed to, but were unwilling to enforce. They were happy to continue the status-quo of ignoring the situation and continuing the illusion of containment. If Saddam backs down and is disarmed, it will be because he realized that our diplomatic pressure was backed by force. If the diplomatic pressure fails and we go to war, I have to ask - how many times and for how long do we just talk? If you give in to the Liberal view of pre-9/11 that containment and sanctions are killing tens of thousands of 'hostages' per year, when does going after Saddam become a mercy killing? When do a few dead now mean saving a lot more over the long haul? Post 9/11 and pre-Gulf War 2, these same folks are often now arguing for sanctions and containment. Its bizarre. John

To: FaultLine who wrote (57321)	11/15/2002 12:19:39 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

>Unprovoked, the noble sport of war becomes the murder of the innocent. Thoughtful (and disturbing) piece. I keep thinking of the piece in The Guardian where the woman reporter went back to Afghanistan and asked, "The Americans killed so many people when they got rid of the Taliban. Was it worth it?" to which the universal reply was (I paraphrase) "Of course it was, silly! Do you have any idea how many people the Taliban killed every day?" We would have to kill a very great many Iraqis just to match Saddam's normal killing rate now (and who knows what he or his sons would do once they got nukes). That's why I don't have qualms about this war.