To: epicure who wrote (66653 ) 11/15/2002 6:42:47 PM From: E Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486 Oh, I am part of it. Exactly the same part I was then. I learned that those who bully the vulnerable can be stopped, and also that there is a tendency in some people to be attracted to the bullying process. You might try to think about this. It's not a difficult concept, and is key to understanding what happened: CH, unlike the victim girl , designed the game and constituted the gauntlet (alone, until you joined him, and SI cooperated), inflicted the hits, caused the suffering, ignored the pleas, and had in his power at any moment to stop the torment. At any moment. Totally in his power. This is simple. Really, really simple. Why don't you see it? At camp, as a child, I did what CH could have done here, as an adult. I stopped the torment. I did it for the girls, he could have done it for both his victim and for himself, if he experienced it as torment and not as pleasure (which is not at all certain; it is my belief that he enjoyed tormenting Poet, and me, too, as a side-game, and you derived actual pleasure from his treatment of Poet and probably of me). It is all here to see. Check the links, if you forget. I agree that it should be dropped now (if that's your position.) It's getting old. However, if you make cracks about me, well, you know me! Just like at camp all those years ago, I don't put up with a whole lot of poop! I have other good camp stories, too. There was the time they tried to... Oh, another time. But it's a good one, too. I learned a lot at that camp about how delicious some people find cruelty, X. And how it always has its defenders, X.BTW, a question: Do you think CH disliked the social results of his tormenting of Poet? (ie, the reaction it got from observers of it, as it continued, following his threat to sue so he could continue it)? Or do you think he enjoyed it? Which?