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To: Carolyn who wrote (17733)	11/16/2002 12:37:52 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

I remember the whole time I was growing up, the concern I always heard was that America was getting soft and lazy. No one ever considered that Europe would get there first.

To: Carolyn who wrote (17733)	11/16/2002 4:59:41 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: Gus, all I know is that the French are scared to death of the Arabs. Well, I wouldn't put it that way... let's say that the French are concerned about the vulnerability of their social fabric. True, there's a sizable Muslim/Arab population in France but then it's still a MINORITY (5 mil vs 50 mil of non-Muslims). Somehow, I could sling it back to you and say that the US government is scared to death of a racial clash, let's call it the "LA'92 syndrome".... Hence the US's cautious strategy of branding the terrorist menace as a fringe anomaly within Islam. The pitfall the US admnistration tries to avoid is the one that would brand all Muslim Americans and most African-Americans as potential terrorists, as an anti-American fifth column to be policed and "neutralized". If such a scenario ever materialized, it'd mean the end of the USA as a world leader. Of course, such an endgame is eagerly pursued by the Judeofascist clique: white supremacists, Christian Zionists and fascistic elements within the US military don't give a damn about the benevolent image the US still enjoys abroad.... Theirs is an America that would emulate Israel and pull the plug on its legacy of liberal values and multiculturalism. American Judeofascists figure that the US could easily engage in the same racist, colonialist policy as Israel and turn most non-white, non-Christian minorities into one big "Palestinian problem" to be "drained"... Presently, the political situation is as volatile in the US as it is in Europe. American Judeofascists have an edge over their liberal counterparts: so far, every terrorist attack, every fit of subversion has been pinned either on black people or Muslim individuals and preferably on minorities who are both non-white and Muslim. The Judeofascist ploy is indeed water-tight: not the faintest hint has been aired about a possible Christian(-Zionist) or Jewish terror connection. The only leak about a possible Israeli terrorist ramification dates back to September 2001 when FOX/Cameron relayed the story about a dozen of Israeli illegals taking pictures of the collapsing WTC from NJ... Needless to say it's gonna be an ever finer line to tread for the US authorities: sooner or later, Muslim minorities, already victimized in the workplace, discriminated against in the military and law enforcement agencies, and vilified by the media and the televangelists, will just blow up --racial riots may be just around the corner. Gus

To: Carolyn who wrote (17733)	11/16/2002 5:53:26 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Footnote... Re: But what is most odd is the vast number of Christian fanatics in the US, who form the core of George Bush's support and at 60 million strong represent the single most powerful voting block in US history. Whereas church attendance is down dramatically in England it has never been higher in the United States whose strange fundamentalist Christian sects are, in my opinion, a menace to the world.... (excerpted from E. Said's paper) Actually, I could conjure up a similar "fundamentalist bloc" of 60 million within the EU... The difference with the US being that, contrary to US politics, the diverse reactionary, anti-immigrant constituencies are scattered across 15 different countries and consequently, don't make up a single, united bloc of voters. Another difference, as E. Said rightly pointed out, is that Europe's Judeofascist crowd doesn't have a strong religious foundation and is essentially political: Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands, J.M. Le Pen in France, J. Haider in Austria, Ph. Dewinter in Flanders, Fini and Bossi in Italy, Putin in Russia, although they all proclaim their Judeo-Christian heritage, promote an anti-Muslim/Arab populism rather than a pro-Christian agenda.... All in all, I'm afraid that Edward Said deludes himself about Europe --probably because Britain is not the best vantage point to grasp the politics of Continental Europe, namely, the rise of anti-immigrant populism, the ostracizing of Turkey, and the shameful, Munich appeasement towards Herr V. Putin... (not to mention their duplicity about jackboot Israel) Indeed, European leaders pander to Judeofascist Russia in the same vile manner as their pathetic fathers cajoled Nazi Germany 65 years ago. Soon they'll join Daladier, Chamberlain, Leopold III, Pétain and the rest in History's hall of shame.... Gus