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To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (25464)	11/16/2002 5:14:44 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

When I visited in Germany in January I was struck by how even in comparison to Australia people seemed un-entrepreneurial and cynical about the future. Australians are no where near as extreme in the opposite direction as Americans, but some of the attitudes of my friends there were difficult to understand. They are amazed by my flipping around the World, trying to make money by trading/investing etc. Moomin

To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (25464)	11/16/2002 10:35:29 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

When the system is fine tuned that there is, for single individual, a 'share' of the spoils, it is impossible to change it. It becomes calcified. Germany is a case in point. Wherever you touch, you touch a special interest. Everyone has a glass ceiling. Hence no stones are thrown. Does it resemble the communist regimes of the East? Yes, it does. The sytems that can't be changed, fall due to be rotten to the core. These European social democracies created to keep the people looking Eastwards for a "better" way, have ran its course. They can't be changed and are prone to fall as their eastern neighbors ten years ago. And it doens't take much for them to fall. Just remind that it was nevessaryu to strip of a couple of hundred meters of barbed wire and the "colossus" fell down to pieces exposing the rotten core. Now lets see if for the first time the Europeans, for once, can deal with their problems without going to each others throats.

To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (25464)	11/16/2002 10:58:02 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<people 3rd class Titanic having a laugh at the 1st class.>> In fact the 3rd class has subsidized the 1st class and that is what has kept the Titanic afloat. Subsidies, provided by the 3rd class, can't keep up with the appetitie of the 1st class passengers, which grew by the day since about 1986 when I first read the written in the wall. But there is a slight difference from the Titanic ship now: No one pinned down to the beds or chairs of the Titanic. What we are about to see is a scramble for the lifeboats. Which, also differently from the Titanic metaphora, are not earmarked in a class by class basis. It is going to be sheer social Darwinism at work. Who could do more, will cry less. Will the apartment cats, raised on madam's lap, treated with Provolone cheese and low fat milk, survive the competition against the tom cats full of scars as proof of the fight for every day's meal? I am not saying the apartment cats will lose, I am just saying I just want to watch the fight, seating down and laughing.