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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 12:56:52 AM
From: calgal  Respond to of 769667
 
Airlines hoping to find favor with Republican-led Congress
11/17/2002

URL:http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/business/stories/111702dnbusaircong.3d905.html

By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News

Count airline executives among the cheerleaders for the Nov. 5 Republican sweep of Congress, an outcome that the industry sees as a rare chance to push its legislative agenda.

The result "gives us some hope that some of the logjams can be broken" when the new session begins Jan. 3, said AMR Corp. chief executive Donald Carty, who has made lobbying Congress a top priority for American Airlines.

The alternative to the Republican sweep was far more disturbing for airlines, said Ron Ricks, government affairs vice president for Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. Had the Democrats kept power in the Senate and won the House of Representatives, Mr. Ricks said, airline re-regulation would have come up for debate, an outcome no carrier wants.

"I think there are a lot of members of Congress who would like to see deregulation fail," Mr. Ricks said.

That's not considered a problem with a GOP-run legislative branch, and the nation's carriers are crafting an airline-friendly agenda for the 108th Congress. Airline executives want Congress to:

• Dramatically change how carriers negotiate with unions by introducing binding arbitration in place of federal mediation, which can end in strikes.

• Allow airlines to buy war risk insurance from the government cheaper than in the private market. The airlines are paying hundreds of millions of dollars more to insure themselves against terrorism since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

• Lower taxes that airlines pay directly to the federal government and the fees they must pass along to passengers in ticket fees.

There are early indications that Congress will be receptive to the requests.

"We'd have to look at what we can do to help them with their critical financial situation and just be aware it could turn further south if there is an act of international conflict," U.S. Rep. John Mica, a Florida Republican who is chairman of the House Aviation Subcommittee, told the Washington Post in September.

Much attention will fall on a bill sponsored by Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Trent Lott of Mississippi that would create a new way for airline unions and management to settle contracts.

The Railway Labor Act governs those talks, outlining the formal and often arduous process that can stretch negotiations over several years. Unions can't strike until the National Mediation Board deems that further talks won't help, a stage the board rarely reaches.

Unions are already upset that President Bush has effectively stripped their right to strike – the strongest bargaining tool they possess – by invoking seldom-used Presidential Emergency Boards in labor disputes. The three-member boards evaluate contract offers from both sides and issue a nonbinding recommendation.

Congress can take those recommendations and force a settlement. Mr. Bush used one of the boards to stop a potential mechanics strike at Northwest Airlines in 2001.

'Final offer' system

The McCain-Lott bill would go further than just stopping airline strikes. It would introduce a "final offer arbitration" system – sometimes called "baseball-style" arbitration – to settle contracts.
Each side would present its last contract offer to a panel. As with arbitration over baseball players' salaries, one side's proposal would win, and there would be no splitting the differences.

"It would effectively gut the Railway Labor Act," said George Hopkins, a history professor at Western Illinois University who specializes in labor law and pilots unions. "If the Republicans put it up for a vote, they're going to go ahead and do it. They won't pass up a chance to stick it to labor."

The unions are gearing up to battle McCain-Lott, which is "a dirty word to pilots," Mr. Hopkins said.

The Association of Professional Flight Attendants at Fort Worth-based American Airlines will "be fighting it tooth and nail," spokesman George Price said.

Airlines are eager to gain the upper hand with labor, which accounts for 38 percent of their costs.

The industry's other legislative issues also affect their bottom lines.

Rising insurance costs

One is war risk insurance, where Southwest Airlines has led a charge to lower the cost of insurance against further terrorist attacks. After Sept. 11, 2001, insurance companies dramatically increased the cost of such coverage or stopped selling it outright.
For Dallas-based Southwest – which before 9-11 wasn't considered a high risk for terrorist attacks because it flies only in the continental United States – premiums have risen 13,875 percent, Mr. Ricks said. Southwest expects to spend $100 million more this year than in 2001 for war risk insurance.

Airlines want to be able to buy terrorism insurance from the federal government, a benefit that other industries such as shipping enjoy. Despite the election results, Southwest doesn't expect any changes early next year in insurance costs, Mr. Ricks said.

The industry may see relief as soon as this week. The lame-duck Congress is considering legislation that would extend government subsidies that help the carriers pay for insurance. The measure is part of President Bush's homeland security bill.

Another cost issue for airlines is how much they'll have to pay for federalized airport security provided through the Transportation Security Administration, or TSA.

Carriers help support the new agency by paying the TSA a sliding annual fee based on the airline's size. Passengers also pick up part of the tab with a $2.50 surcharge on each leg of their flight. But if those fees don't cover the TSA's costs next year, airlines will be assessed for the difference.

The airlines say the flight-leg surcharge hurts their ability to raise fares in some markets. Even an extra $5 on a simple round-trip flight will steer some passengers away, they say.

And airlines are reluctant to increase fares to make up for the surcharge. Average airfares are 11 percent lower today than a year ago, and full-service carriers such as American are facing more competition than ever from low-fare competitors. American says it faces low-fare competition on three-quarters of its routes.

"We simply cannot shoulder a disproportionate share of our nation's war on terrorism," said Michael Wascom, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, the airline industry's lobby group.

The federal air marshal program has also become a cost issue. The airlines are required to fly the undercover officers free in first class.

Continental Airlines, for one, has complained that it's losing millions by giving away its most profitable seats to the marshals. At the same time, there are fewer open seats as airlines have cut their schedules, making their planes fuller. The average load factor for major carriers was nearly 7 percentage points higher last month compared with October 2001.

Airlines also want relief from the taxes they pay on fuel and the fees they're forced to pass onto customers in the ticket price, such as the 7.5 percent excise tax.

Travelers are dinged for up to nine fees per ticket, and those charges add up to more than $12 billion annually for the federal coffers, according to the Air Transport Association.

As airfares have dropped, the percentage of the ticket value eaten up by taxes has risen. On a $200 round-trip ticket that connects through a hub, taxes make up 25.6 percent of the fare.

Will it help?

The airline industry's legislative agenda for the new Congress isn't much different than in previous sessions, but it should fare better, said Mr. Hopkins, the history professor. And it might be particularly difficult to provide the airlines with tax relief, given the growing federal deficit.
"I don't think there's any question that the Republicans will help their cause," he said.

Not everyone agrees, however, that a pro-business Republican Congress will lend a hand to an industry that's on course to lose more than $7 billion this year.

"I don't know if the election will help airlines at all," said Darryl Jenkins, head of the Aviation Institute at George Washington University. "Congress has never been a friend to airlines, and Republicans and Democrats have been equal opportunity offenders."

The airlines, however, have been leaning Republican over the last decade.

In the 1990 elections, airline industry donations to candidates were split almost evenly between the two parties – 49 percent to Democrats and 51 percent to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. This year, 60 percent of industry money went to GOP candidates, the center said.

For its part, Congress has long used air carriers as political piñatas, grilling airline executives during hearings over customer service and occasionally threatening some form of re-regulation.

Mr. Ricks was blunt when asked by analysts on Election Day about Congress' attitude toward the industry. "Generally," he said, "it sucks."

The wild card this session is Iraq. War could cause a spike in oil prices, putting extra pressure on airline finances.

The conflict, however, could put pressure on Congress to ease the airlines' tax and regulatory burden, industry experts say.

"I don't think that even the nuclear power industry is subject to the type of intense regulation that we are," Mr. Ricks said. "Something has to be done in Washington before we can regain our footing as an industry."



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 2:42:16 AM
From: DOUG H  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
Strange verbage for a Muslim dude.

“You are placing Muslims under siege in Iraq, where children die every day. Oh, how weird that you don’t care for 1.5 million Iraqi children who died under siege, but when 3,000 of your compatriots died, the whole world was shaken,” Fouda quoted the statement as saying.

msnbc.com

These guys are so full of shit....



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 3:04:26 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
No, I have made it clear that your statements that Islam is an evil religion is little different that ermi's statement that a Jewish religion is evil.

You have done no such thing. Ermi hates Jews. I hate an islam, the filthy adherants of which incessantly threaten to slaughter innocent people across the entire world.

Peaceful muslims may enjoy a religion they call "islam," but as they have failed to be distinguished from their murderous brothers I cannot take precious, potentially lifesaving effort, to seek them out when islamics are talking of detonating nukes in my back yard. The onus is upon them to take great and consistent effort to distinguish themselves.

I make the same demands of anyone. If a guy, black or white, should ever enter my presence looking like a thug, I am gonna treat him like a thug because I have already profiled "thugdom". Islamics all over the world have formed a profile, whether you are too stupid to acknowledge it or not. It is a profile based on murderous behavior that is inspired by the Koran.

Since these islamics are gunning for me, then in the interest of self-preservation I am gunning for them. If other islamics don't take seriously the need to distance themselves from the evil, or the need to defeat the evil outright, then those islamics will certainly fall within the profile until they prove they are not a threat to me.

Now that is just plain horse sense and there is nothing bigoted or wrong with it at all, regardless of how stupid and irresponsible you choose to be with your own God-given brain.

You just prove that if you don't use it, you lose it.



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 3:08:37 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Respond to of 769667
 
In America, Americans of those religions have not been shown to be slaughtering any Americans except in your imagination.

Then the WTC is still standing and 911 just did not happen and those American muslim alqaeda operatives right in my backyard in upstate NY just never happened and the American mosques and charities just never funneled money to terrorists who slaughtered thousands of innocent men, women and kids.

The fact is, you are being pretty dang foolish in requiring muslims to be Americans on paper when they can live and move as Americans without the paper. That is just dumb and I hope yall can see how dumb it is.

It just does not matter whether some islamics are technically American citizens when they are benefitting from a muslim community that fails to brutally spit them out. If those folks exist in the hidden comfort of the American muslim community and then from there slaughter Americans, reasonable folks will be concerned about the system whereby they strike, and also about the flawed immigration system that allows these folks to operate with near impunity.

But certain two-bit impotent engineers will just keep on wallowing in willful stupidity as the barbarous islamics keep murdering innocent people.



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 3:15:20 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
You argue because non American come here and do evil, American who share a common named religion are also members of an evil religion.

Surely you must know this is a lie. I argue that islam is evil because all over the world, in every place where it exists, humans are being literally oppressed, brutally enslaved, raped, tortured, their arms and legs hacked off, and generally slaughtered in the name of islam, including right here in America.

I argue that islam is an evil religion because while the topmost islamic spiritual leaders have eagerly condemned people who have written non faith-enhancing books, those same islamic spiritual leaders will not issue fatwas against islamic terrorists who, to those of common decency, are obviously evil. Not one top islamic cleric anywhere in the entire world, not even here in America's "peaceful" muslim community, has issued a fatwa against the islamic murderers and those who support them. That tells you right there of the ubiquity and depth of islam's evil.

I claim islam is evil because the Koran quite clearly encourages islamics to "fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam." You actually have to work to lie islam out of this barbarism. It is no wonder islamics are murdering folks. It can quite obviously and legitimately be argued that their damned allah commands it.

I claim islam is evil because islamics all over the world are consistently obeying this Koranic command, following their wicked allah and slaughtering thousands of innocent people.

I claim islam is evil because those who are obeying the Koran and slaughtering thousands of innocent people, have by default defined the religion. There is no effective counterdefinition coming from any other muslim group. The religion is clearly evil and we have thousands upon thousands dead to prove it all over the world. It is why muslims all over the world literally took to the streets to rejoice when thousands of Americans were killed in the name of islam. You just will not find Christians cheering in the streets when thousands die, not even when their enemies die will you find such a thing.

Islam is obviously evil and it is about time people stand up and admit it plainly. You can whine the non-thinking leftist whine of "racist" and crap until you drop. It just does not matter because you do not matter.

The factis, no one has cleaned Islam up and obviously "peaceful" muslims are unable to do it. So then they obviously are not in control of the religion. The religion is defined by those who follow the Koran's command to "fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]."

Now I have said these things repeatedly and in very many posts. So, being charitable to you, I assume you are just lying when you claim I argue that islam is evil merely because evil muslims come to America. Were it only a matter of a handful of evil muslims in a world of obviously open-minded and freedom loving muslims, there would be no case here. But the fact is, the world is clearly full of hostile islamics who are following the Koran's command to kill others.

You have obviously lost these exchanges between you and I and are now resorting not only to willful stupidity but also to flagrant dishonor.



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (320370)11/17/2002 3:19:13 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
If PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH is lying and knows Islam is evil as you say. Then the millions of Americans who are Muslims are evil barbarians who slaughter you in your own home.

My word. With each of your posts you threaten to turn this forum into an intellectual abortuary. I claim that Islam is evil for the multitude of reasons I have repeatedly listed, and that the alleged millions of "peaceful muslims" are not relevant when millions of other muslims control islam and are now supporting evil across the world, even within and by the allegedly "peaceful" islamic communities. They just don't matter because they do not define islamic reality where it counts. They may as well not exist because islamics all over the world are STILL following the Koran and 'fighting and slaying non-islamics whereever they find them...'

yes ermi, you have expressed what and who you are clearly.

And you have made it clear that even when barbarians slaughter you in your own home and country, you will eternally lack the wherewithal to know you are being slaughtered. Your intellectual impotence makes your efforts worth less than a damn, both here in these forums and undoubtedly in life.