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Politics : Prime Minister Jean Chretien -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: SofaSpud who wrote (65)	11/18/2002 7:06:18 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 443

Yes very good, you are straight into the central fallacy of the pine lobby's bullshit - the term 'stumpage' can mean a wide variety of payment systems, depends on where you go .... and it's not particularly national in distinction either, their use of 'national averages' is intentionally misleading, fact is each province and state has its own rules for both private and public lands, and in both nations there is federally held timberland ... not so much of the latter in the g.w.n., much more in the US, at which we can quite rightly point and say, hey look they subsidise their timber sales, and they do, honourable elements of their nation admit so freely [and when we hear that admission, then we hasten to point out qualifiers on this use of the term 'subsidise', it's not a short story, nor a simple one] It all depends on what you include or exclude, yes .... what the TFL holder here pays in 'stumpage' would roughly correspond to what the holder of old worked-out Georgia slave land planted to yellow pine would call his 'net profit', i.e. that portion of his 'stumpage' that he has left over after paying all related expenses, and on which he presumably pays taxes to the IRS .... the term 'stumpage' is for this reason fairly useless, outside of the pine lobby's employment of it in their propaganda There is much more that falls in the category of Apples & Rancid Pecan Pie Comparison, for instance distance factors - obviously that old slave land they hold is nearer markets, and since it costs money to move wood, clearly they will net up with more value per cubic metre on the stump ... terrain considerations as well - all aspects of forestry are cheaper on flat land than they are on the steep .... growth rate comes into it - more cubic metres of fibre per annum per hectare means that mills can be served by timberland within a much shorter radius, while our fine superior straight-grain northern softwood grows exceeding slow, and that means much higher trucking and/or towing costs [up-coast the wood moves by water] ...... all expenses come off the gross mill-delivered value of logs, to form what we still call the 'stumpage' That's a good start on the situation ... and of course, for above reasons, you will never see meaningful backup out of the pine lobby for their accusations, no relevant apples-to-apples comparisons, nothing but carefully picked stuff in the 'figures don't lie, but liars do figure' line .... they could have done Goebbels proud .... and yes, the longer it takes for the US public to wake up to what they're doing, the more they achieve of their goals, every time a little company or community here goes down, they win Parallels with the NEP are strong - honourable workers not central to the g.w.n. power base, and largely from the west, are assaulted and/or betrayed by backroom boys from Backeast ... it's just, the assaulting backeasters in this case are from south of the line .... one thing we don't understand here, is why they don't get the same firm response, get slapped around for their grasping hypocrisy like Pee-air was for his For a long time now yes, on your view of it in '87 the current war had been going seven years or so ... similar waves earlier in that century as well, also at least one brief one in the nineteenth, it stimulated the building of schooners more capable of longer distances, so we could diversify our markets .... same old, same old .... and at the same time now as we have a wall against BC product, we are forced by NAFTA to admit all manner of US-provenanced crap entirely free of tariff ..... JC better deal with this, and pretty g.d. quick