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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (19925)	11/19/2002 1:53:53 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 27666

........Evil is slithering its way into our society. Because of your democracies we will invade you. Because of our religious laws we will dominate you. Do something about it! Don't just simply keep on whining. But really, the thing that people fear most is fear itself. Colin Powell seems to be a very brave man in proposing more consideration for Moslems. I won't be surprised that sooner or later a crank or a supposedly mentally-ill guy might attempt to cut him down. Remember how Martin Luther King was shot and killed for his DREAM. Like it or not, I think Colin Powell has started to delegitimize some of the complaints and excuses of the militant Moslems by getting Americans to be nicer than ever before to Moslems. It seems to me the general idea is that if Moslems realize, in general, they are being shown consideration and respect, then they would be less liable to join the militants against America. All this sounds like pipedream and poppycock, eh? Of course, whether this will work or not remains to be seen. But alas, far too many folks have a short fuse and are very impatient! To them the best solution is the final solution ---- obliterating Islam and vaporizing all Moslems! Oh well, to each his own! Maybe a page of history will give you some idea of what delegitimizing a cause can do. In the 1950s and early 1960s, the Communists in SE Asia tried to get the common people (labouring class) join them by telling them that the bourgeousies and the colonial masters were exploiting them left and right. The bourgeousies and the colonial masters delegitimized the Communists' propaganda by creating business opportunities and prosperity for the common people and raising their standard of living (especially in Malaysia and Singapore). In the end, the Communists lost and had to vamoose and scram! Indeed, history has shown that delegitimizing excuses/complaints/causes can be a way to win big time! In the days following 9/11, I was condemned as being pro-Islam and pro-terrorists and anti-America for proposing the delegitimization of the militants' cause. Now Colin Powell and even Bush are seemingly pro-Moslem. And yet no one is screaming, screeching and yelling foul. What happened? Is it because folks (except for some Darrens and sheep farmers??????) are now wiser and are now agreeing, albeit reluctantly, with the Prez and Colin Powell?

To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (19925)	11/19/2002 3:46:25 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Australia warns of Al-Qaeda 'terrorist' threat SYDNEY -- - Australia has received a credible threat that a terrorist attack linked to Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network will be launched against it in the next two months, the government warned on Tuesday. Justice Minister Chris Ellison said the threat was similar to others received by the United States and Britain. He refused to detail its source or explain how the government knew it was credible, but said it was linked to Al-Qaeda. 'The information, whilst general and not specific as to target and timing is nonetheless credible,' he told reporters. He said information possibly relating to Australia was received on Nov 14 and further information on Nov 18 added to the credibility of the first. 'As a consequence, the government has decided to advise the general public of the alert,' he said. But Mr Ellison said the threat was not linked to Australian citizen Jack Roche, who appeared before a court in Perth on Tuesday charged with plotting to bomb Israeli missions in Australia. Roche, a British-born convert to Islam, had freely claimed in an interview with The Australian newspaper to have been trained to use explosives by the Al-Qaeda terrorist network. The bearded Roche, 49, was arrested on Nov 18 after being interviewed by federal police as part of Australia's anti-terrorist crackdown in which homes of Muslim Indonesians were raided. Roche denied through lawyer Robert Mazza two charges of conspiracy to bomb the Israeli embassy in Canberra and consulate in Sydney as he appeared amid tight security before Perth Magistrates Court. But he was not required to make a formal plea and was remanded in custody until Nov 27. -- AFP

To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (19925)	11/19/2002 4:32:42 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

Thousands Attend Funeral of Pakistani Executed for Killings of CIA Employees Tuesday, November 19, 2002 QUETTA, Pakistan — Thousands of people packed a soccer stadium on Tuesday for the funeral of Aimal Kasi, a Pakistani man executed in Virginia last week for the 1993 murders of two CIA employees. Heavily armed police were on hand amid fears of an anti-American backlash. As Kasi's body, draped in green cloth and sprinkled with flower petals, was brought into the stadium, an Islamic cleric began reciting verses from the Quran. About 20,000 people crowded the arena, and hundreds more were arriving by the minute. Many pushed forward to catch a glimpse of Kasi's face. Black flags fluttered atop the stadium, and loudspeakers crackled with the cleric's sermon. "Aimal Kasi was martyred by the imperialist America," said the cleric, Hussain Ahmed Sherodi. "Aimal Kasi's martyrdom has united Muslims against the United States." Several placards were held aloft, one saying "Down with the U.S.A," and another reading "Shame, Shame, Bush!" Security was tight, but there was no immediate sign of violence and the crowd was somber during the funeral prayers. After the prayers, thousands accompanied Kasi's body on the two-mile walk to the Kasi family's ancestral graveyard just outside of town. Kasi was buried close to his father's grave at the old cemetery, his tearful family members looking on as the body was lowered into the ground. Afterward, the fresh grave was sprinkled with flower petals and water, in keeping with local tradition. Meanwhile, lawmakers in the capital interrupted a parliamentary session to say a prayer for Kasi, regarded as a martyr and a hero by many here. "May his soul be blessed and his family have patience," said Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, a lawmaker from a hardline Islamic bloc that came in third in Oct. 10 elections. "May those who handed him over (to the Americans) be destroyed." Kasi was executed by lethal injection by the state of Virginia on Nov. 14 for the 1993 murders of two CIA employees -- communications worker Frank Darling, 28, and CIA analyst and physician Lansing Bennett, 66 -- as they sat in their cars at a stoplight. His body arrived in his hometown of Quetta on Monday and was brought to the family home, where relatives and supporters were in mourning. The State Department has warned that Americans might be targeted for retaliation in the wake of the execution, but there have been no acts of violence so far, and Kasi's family has pleaded for peace. Four Americans were gunned down in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi after Kasi's 1997 conviction. On Tuesday, bazaars in Quetta were closed following a call by a shop owners' association to shut their doors in protest of the execution. Kasi fled the United States after killing the CIA men and spent most of the next 4 years hiding in and around the city of Kandahar, in southern Afghanistan. Pakistani security forces and FBI agents caught Kasi at a hotel while he was on a visit to Pakistan in 1997, and he was returned to the United States. foxnews.com

To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (19925)	11/19/2002 7:39:13 PM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 27666

Hunt for Osama now moves to Yemen Elite SAS troops are now searching for him in a lawless region in Yemen where the tribesmen are fiercely loyal to him straitstimes.asia1.com.sg LONDON - Osama bin Laden is alive but where is he? It appears the focus of the manhunt has dramatically shifted over the past few weeks from Afghanistan and Pakistan's border areas to the lawless tribal region of Hadhra Maug in south-east Yemen, where his father was born. One British newspaper reported that elite SAS troops were now hunting for the elusive Al-Qaeda leader in the region. The revelation that the world's most wanted man is thought to be in Yemen comes in the wake of a taped message by him broadcast last Tuesday and authenticated by language experts showing that he is still alive, although probably in ill-health. Evidence that he had not died during the sustained US bombings of the Tora Bora caves last December came as little surprise to intelligence agents involved in the search. They now believe that Osama may never have been at Tora Bora, according to the Sunday Telegraph. The newspaper said that instead he may have fled Afghanistan last November travelling along opium traffickers' routes through eastern Iran then down through the desert of Baluchistan in Pakistan to the port of Gwador, an area mostly off-limits to foreigners. He is then thought to have travelled by traditional dhow across the Arabian Sea to Oman and on to Yemen and the protection of the tribesmen of the Hadhra Maug, who are fiercely loyal to his family and have long waged war with the government in Sanaa. An American official told The Sunday Telegraph: 'We left too many windows. 'We could not seal the border with Pakistan and we failed to monitor shipping particularly in those early days'. The newspaper said that the US Defence Department has treated the latest information about Osama's whereabouts along with other similar reports as credible, a position made clear when it recently shifted several of Predator drones to Djibouti to spy on Yemen. Yemen was already one of the countries where Al-Qaeda was thought to be regrouping most actively. The country - just as Afghanistan was when Osama made it his base - is a largely lawless place where the government exerts little control, and is thus perfect territory for his men. The tribesmen of the Hadhra Maug are said to be fiercely loyal to Osama's clan as well as extremely hostile to Westerners, and some members were involved in the bombing of the American warship USS Cole in Aden harbour two years ago, in which 17 sailors died. To deepen the ties, Al-Qaeda members have been marrying local tribesmen's daughters just as they did in Afghanistan. Bush administration officials acknowledge that Osama's tape may be a sign that Al-Qaeda is planning another wave of attacks against US and other Western targets, the New York Times reported. The release of the tape has come at the same time that there has been a surge in intercepted communications among suspected Al-Qaeda operatives around the world, another indication that the organisation may be about to launch fresh strikes. The CIA and the National Security Agency (NSA) detected similar surges in 'chatter' prior to other major terrorist attacks, including the Sept 11 attacks on New York and Washington. Republican Senator Richard Shelby, who is vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that he thought it was possible that the new audiotape contained hidden messages for Al-Qaeda operatives, perhaps providing directives for new attacks. ----------------------------------------------------------- String of terror attacks In his latest message, Osama referred to a string of terror attacks carried out since Sept 11 last year. They included: Oct 8: Kuwaiti island of Failaka. Two Kuwaiti civilians fire on US Marines, killing one and wounding another. May 8: Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide car bomber kills 11 French navy experts and two Pakistanis. Oct 12: Indonesian island of Bali. Bombings at nightclubs kill at least 180. Oct 23-26: Moscow, Russia. Chechen gunmen hold several hundred hostages inside theatre.