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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: lorne who wrote (19933)	11/19/2002 5:43:02 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 27666

lil rich. I asked you...." now you try real hard and see if you can come up with a reason why Powell and Bush would seem to support moslems."...... While you are thinking here is something for you to ponder. Tombstone paper calls for militia By Ignacio Ibarra ARIZONA DAILY STAR Friday, November 15, 2002 Cochise County's "official newspaper" has issued a call to arms and is spearheading the formation of a local militia to combat illegal immigration. The line that divides Mexico and the United States is at the epicenter of emotional, political, and economic debate from both sides of the border. Illegal immigration, trade policies, and divided tribal lands are just a few of the complex border issues covered by the Star. All are open for discussion in the StarNet Forums. To participate in the discussion, readers must register to use the forums. Tucson human rights activist Isabel Garcia said the Tombstone Tumbleweed's rhetoric is the latest manifestation of a militant vigilantism that has long existed in Cochise County with the acceptance and encouragement of local officials. She said Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever's public friendship with groups like Glenn Spencer's American Patrol, the sheriff's lack of investigation into Roger and Don Barnett's armed detention of illegal entrants and the clear unwillingness on the part of Cochise County Attorney Chris Roll to investigate and prosecute the two brothers have given them credibility and encouraged groups like Texas-based Ranch Rescue and the new Tombstone Militia. "To have the official newspaper of the county call on people to take up arms is very dangerous, very frightening. Law enforcement and public officials should be concerned," she said. Garcia canceled an upcoming speaking engagement in Bisbee out of concern over the growing hostility in the county. Roll, the county attorney, said every case brought to him is reviewed under the same standards. "If we have sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed, we will prosecute." Sheriff Dever said frustrations with the federal government's inability to stem the flow of illegal immigration has attracted the attention of a number of groups on all sides of the issue. While he acknowledged attending and speaking at American Patrol meetings, he said his presence should be construed as being a voice of reason rather than a supporter of particular agendas or methodology. At least 43 people have joined the Citizens Border Patrol militia since the front page call to arms appeared in the Tombstone Tumbleweed last month - under a headline that read "Enough is Enough!" - and support continues to grow, said Chris Simcox, a former California teacher who is now owner, publisher and editor of the Tombstone weekly. Simcox isn't shy about using the words "vigilante" and "militia" to describe his plans. He sees both as a patriotic obligation in a time of war and a necessity in light of the federal government's failure to stop the flood of immigrants funneling through Cochise County. His plan is to put armed, able-bodied militia members on private property near the border to create a presence and a deterrent to illegal border crossers. "This has nothing to do with the Mexican people per se. . . . It's about stopping uncontrolled immigration," he said. "We want local people, we don't want the Rambos, the mercenaries and soldiers of fortune that some of these groups seem to be made up of." Cochise County Supervisor Paul Newman, who represents the Tombstone area on the county Board of Supervisors said the county has no authority or desire to interfere with the publisher's First Amendment right to publish what he chooses. But the supervisor said he is concerned that the harsh editorial tone of the newspaper not be represented as the position of Cochise County. He's asked county staffers to look into the newspaper's use of the phrase "Official Newspaper of Cochise County" in its masthead. According to state law, a newspaper awarded a county's legal advertising contract may be referred to as the county's official paper. azstarnet.com

To: lorne who wrote (19933)	11/19/2002 7:07:29 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

The trouble with you is that you are just too narrow-minded, and so extremely superficial that you are not capable of seeing beyond the confines of your mind. For you, everything is either black or white as it must be to a 5-year old kid. You post other peoples' opinions but hardly ever offer any opinions of your own. You are a parrot. And you are guilty of jumping to the wrong conclusions and expecting others to follow you, the good shepherd, I suppose? And you are very presumptuous and paranoid in thinking I am following you around. I have been on SI for a good many years and I am at liberty to post on any thread I want! and voice my opinions. Mind you, I was not posting to you. But you know, as the old saying goes, "If the cap fits you, wear it!" I am entitled to my opinions and you to yours! What is all this silly talk about kicking ass? If I got my ass kicked, so are you getting it too now real good! Be a good sport! Your problem is that others must agree with you. If they don't, they must be incapable of learning the truth or they must be pro-Moslem or pro-terrorist. Oh well, I love getting my ass kicked, whatever that means. Simply because you thought you wrote an "ass-kicking" post, I am supposed to be silenced forever? What a wonderful sense of humour you have got, eh? How presumptuously silly can you get? Too bad, you will always be disappointed! In saying that folks like me are tools of the terrorists you are displaying your prejudice, ignorance and silliness. Why don't you now say that Colin Powell and Prez Bush have lately become tools of the terrorists, too? I did give a reason why Colin Powell would seem to be so supportive of the Moslems in America. But you failed to read my post well enough. What I was saying was that, surprisingly, there was no outrage at Colin Powell and Prez Bush. To me, many folks now are beginning to see the light of "delegitimizing" excuses/causes or so it seems. By the way, don't forget to do upgrading courses and read widely; stop indulging in fantasies; stop being silly; appreciate that not everything is either black or white; and most important of all, don't act like a sheep and expect others to be like you. You know, the terrorists are super fond of sheep and lamb meat! regardless of whether they were "Bismilah"-ed and "Halal"-ed or not. PS. To your credit, you have not been entirely sheeplike today: you lost your cool so very easily!!! Looks like I scored big, eh?