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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (67261)	11/20/2002 1:57:06 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is the soldier who might fight for the idea of freedom, but it is rarely the soldier who thinks freedom is a "really good idea" when that freedom is the freedom to do something the soldier dislikes, like burn the flag. Hence the inevitable tension between democracy, and the military that must protect it if it is to survive. It is the fox guarding the hen house- but if the hens are vigilant, and mean enough (and well armed thanks to our constitution), it may work. That letter by that student was very poorly written. The response by the faculty member was uncalled for, and publishing private emails is in very, very bad taste (IMO) and shows the student and those affiliated with him to be creepy. All the individuals involved in that incident strike me as lacking in intelligence, of one kind or another.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (67261)	11/20/2002 11:36:00 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"""It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." -- Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC "" I didn't read the link but just your cut n' paste.. Well I hope, I pray, that people can see through the shallowness of such a statement. For openers, Whose soldier? this side?, the other side?.. The Nazi side?, The Russian side, the Finnish side.. All soldiers that serve beneath a flag think they are right. But do they know? Really know? because they subject themselves to the WILL of others. And the OTHERS, those in charge, I mean , do they KNOW what is RIGHT?.. It doesn't look like it, IMO, because we have had wars for thousands of years. And ROUGHLY HALF of all those soldiers involved did not KNOW WHAT WAS RIGHT.. And the other half thought they did, Because THEY THOUGHT MIGHT WAS RIGHT.. Does the soldier know what is right or wrong BEFORE the fact?. No s(he) just take orders.. The soldier, IMO should be/is just a tool, to be used for a society to ONLY PROTECT THEIR OWN society ..BUT always under the control of the mechanic, which is societies control, civilian control as we know it... So the mechanic has to KNOW, HAS TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. SO (s)he doesn't put undue pressure on the tool so that it doesn't over inflate a tire and it blows up and causes damage to all that around. Oh boy, Oh girl, Oh humankind, I can not believe sometimes, what others believe.. c