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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (57980)11/20/2002 8:53:47 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Nadine, you copied the first paragraph of Fed 63 nicely, but why didn't you copy the second paragraph:

An attention to the judgement of other nations is important to every government for two reasons: the one is that independently of the merits of any particular plan or measure, it is desirable, on various accounts, that it should appear to other nations as the offspring of a wise and honorable policy; the second is that in doubtful cases, particularly where the national councils may be warped by some strong passion or momentary interest, the presumed or known opinion of the impartial world may be the best guide that can be followed. What has not America lost by her want of character with foreign nations; and how many errors and follies would she not have avoided, if the justice and propriety of her measures had, in every instance, been previously tried by the light in which they would probably appear to the unbiased part of mankind?


True, nowhere does Madison say that the govt has a duty to be responsible to any other government. But his main concern throughout is how to check both the abuse of power and abuse of liberty. He knew how often both the people and the government could be subject to delusion, hence the question and answer that you quoted, which is so typical of him: What bitter anguish would not the people of Athens have often escaped if their government had contained so provident a safeguard against the tyranny of their own passions? Popular liberty might then have escaped the indelible reproach of decreeing to the same citizens the hemlock on one day and statues on the next. He is talking here about the government being deluded, and needing a check on their power so that they can get some distance from their lunacy, and (hopefully) recover from it, see it in perspective, and not do something crazy.

At the end of the day, due concern for the opinions of other states is for our own good, not for theirs. Syria, as such, is irrelevant. It just happens to be on the SC right now, and putting it in the way you put it ("How is our foreign policy made more legitimate by having Syria vote for it?") is a sure way to make it sound absurd. It isn't that Syria gives the policy more legitimacy, it is that the SC as a body does, at least in theory.

I'll try to get into this in more depth later, if you wish (you probably don't, but nevermind), I have to run right now.

Sam