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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (67327)	11/21/2002 1:02:35 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"Yet I don't see you going after those behaviors." 1) I doubt that we would agree on what those behaviors are. 2) One of us (you) has the need to "go after" those behaviors simply to score points for your side and distract attention from your own responsibility. It is a lame attempt by-the-way that no one has bought. The only merit it has is in pointing out that other people go to far occassionally. Recognition of that is about all you should expect other than perhaps an occassional apology from someone who recognizes a breach. The mass apology is unwarranted and a bogus plea in the first place. 3) The idea I proposed about embarrassment had to do with witnessing disgraceful behavior or being a part of it or feeling represented by it. Any embarrassment I may feel is in the eye of the beholder and certainly not under your direction. 4) When a behavior is self correcting and has no carry over effect on others, it is counter productive to go after it. For example: If a student sitting in the back of the room is picking his nose. As a teacher you might feel uncomfortable with the episode. You use your judgement about whether or not to "go after" the behavior. If the student appears to be doing this absent mindedly and is getting no notice from his peers, you should ignore it. If you "went after" the behavior, the other students would pick up on your discomfort and there is the possibility that you could be shaping up the likely hood for attention getting picking. In the case of thread participants, there are many breaches. Perhaps each of us has felt a pang of offense from time to time. Very few of these rises to the level of disgraceful behavior and those that have occured have not gone unchecked. Your list does not have the ring of authenticity to it. Its simply sour grapes over having been busted. 5) The "lets redefine the terms" approach is not productive but since you and X like it, I am willing to discuss terms with you as often as you like...for the exercise. Everyone who ever posts on these threads has the motive of influencing the thoughts of readers. You can define that as manipulative if you like. When you do it results in an interpretation that clearly too broad to have any practical meaning. It definately is counter productive to accomplishing anything. You can include disingenuous behavior and out and out lying to get your way as manipulative. Redefining the terms does not logically allow you to absorb other people's ideas and provide a false connotation for their meanings. You do it a lot and I consider it a foul and untruthful approach to interaction. For example: twisting other people's words and declaring agreement or some other acheivement where clearly none was reached. "Yet I don't see you going after those behaviors." 6) Another disgraceful attempt at manipulation.