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To: Caxton Rhodes who wrote (125680)	11/25/2002 8:50:43 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Respond to of 152472

you can believe Bonds has never taken roids if you like. but you might consider some of the evidence. i take the Occam's Razor approach myself. "Ex-MVP says he won award while using steroids" sportsillustrated.cnn.com MVP winner estimates that half of pro baseball players are on roids. meanwhile, Jose Canseco estimates the number is 85%, including some "big names". "Barry Bonds should answer steroid questions" bayarea.com An expert on steroids-and-sports research, Dr. Joey Antonio, who wrote a column for Muscle and Fitness, once told me: ``Unless you're a genetic freak, it's impossible to put on more than about five pounds of muscle a year without using steroids. That's eating five or six high-protein, low-fat meals a day, following a very strict training program and using creatine to speed recovery. After age 30 or so, it gets even harder.'' Barry, I've recently heard from several doctors and bodybuilding experts who believe your muscle-mass explosion had to be steroid-fueled. Several say your face exhibits the puffiness of a man who cycles steroids.... I want to believe it's the evidence that lies, and not you, Barry Bonds. … I want to believe you're that billion-to-one genetic freak who did not need to inject anabolic steroids to pack on 20-plus pounds of muscle late in your career. in addition, regarding this article, Slate notes: In 1998, Bonds hit 37 home runs and weighed about 210 pounds. Three years later, the 39-year-old Bonds looked closer to 240 and hit 73 homers. Bonds tells the media he weighs 222. Bayless dares him to step on a scale. slate.msn.com

To: Caxton Rhodes who wrote (125680)	11/25/2002 9:10:23 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

i would also add that in my view, sports are living cultural artifacts that are evolving and dynamic, not static and fixed. so after a few decades, it becomes meaningless to compare the current "greats" to the past greats. they are apples and oranges. better to compare players against their contemporaries or near contemporaries. on those grounds, i agree with you that Bonds is the best hitter. in this sense, if most contemporaries are steroid abusers, then it doesn't matter if Bonds also takes roids. however, it is a skewed comparison to stack such players against those of the past, who did not have the opportunity to take roids or the benefits of modern training. i don't even think the moral issue is a big deal.* after all, many players in the old days were corrupt and involved in game fixing. this is probably rare today, not because players are more "moral", but because they already make so much money through their legal contracts that they don't need to cheat. likewise, some players of the past probably would have abused roids too if they'd had the chance. * as in politics, the coverup is often worse than the crime.