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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (68379)	11/26/2002 11:57:15 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Whether I decide to be offended by it is my problem." I disagree. People who are in a grieving state are emotionally vulnerable and suffering. Their pain is heightened by this kind of provocation. We know that most people are not equiped to handle antagonism while in a state of grief. This is one of the situations where some people may have a choice of reactions but the emotional aspects are already programmed, so some people will react as the bear being poked in the eye. If the pushie is emotionally retarded we may make allowances. But, if this is an informed provocation, the pushie gets the majority of the responsibility.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (68379)	11/27/2002 11:20:27 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Then why do you?" I don't. I said I couldn't stomach you today, and then I left you to your own artificial devices for the day. It is now the Next day, and so I will peek in and post to you once only, lest I be tempted too long in the sick environment that you create. "What X says about Monica is X's problem. Whether I decide to be offended by it is my problem" Not being able to recognize X's comments as OFFENSIVE and to act appropriately around Monica's friends IS your problem, though. And apparently YOU cannot make THAT distinction. Most of us reserve their "deep" love for the very special people in their life: spouse, children, family--perhaps a dear friend. So what is wrong with YOU having a "deep" love for Monica? Well, nothing; nothing at all, Christopher. Except that it is either an outrageous (and pathetic) job of acting, OR the last several months of your stupid talk about SI people not being "real", interactions not really "mattering", and the like...have all been bits and pieces (again) of an outrageous and unconvincing job of ACTING. You like to pretend that SI people (and their expression of ideas and feelings) are "real" when it suits your opportunism for pretence and mawkish display--but that they are mere vapours when you wish to justify your pathological interactions. Now, having declared your "deep" love for Monica, you suddenly invent an issue to defend on which NOBODY had a shred of disagreement, to wit: the "right" of people to speak maliciously and heartlessly provided it remains lawful. Several posters (Neemmy, Neo, JLA, Foxlette, E, and others) were hurt in a personal way by X's remarks, and by your countenance of them. And of course we were all disgusted at your deliberate misdirection into the issue of free speech, when it was not an issue in any way. But did you join the friends of Monica in "proving" their friendship, and in their recognition and upholding of common standards of human decency toward the dead, and toward the living who remember them with affection and loyalty to their life? NO...you did not...NOT YOU. These (above named) were friends to Monica, and they voiced their hurt and their anger in defence of their friend-their friend who can no longer respond to craven assaults and taunts. They said the remarks were cold, heartless, cruel, and untrue. And their words and their actions rang with sincerity. Their words were congruent with their declaration of friendship. Their voices had the note of conviction and truth. But then there is you... Then there is YOU with your "deep" love. And there is also YOU with your cocky and repeated assertions that ideas and feelings on SI don't matter--that they are just names (aliases)--not people. Then, additionally, there is YOU NOT defending your "deep" love from lies and viciousness, but instead misdirecting the experience into a straw man issue...that X has every right to speak maliciously...something which nobody would deny. Then there was (again) YOU with your "deep" love saying to X: "X, your remarks are asinine and offensive. You traduce the deep love I had for Monica, and you s--- t on her memory with lies and innuendo, and as well you insult and wound other friends here and such family as may be privy to your words. I want you to stop. It is indecent and very wrong." No, wait, that is not what YOU said, is it?! That is a generalized description of what many other of Monica's friends said. YOU had nothing to say about the violation of your "deep" love, nor about the sacrilege of traducing the dead...except for a few "squirm and worm" words which were coaxed from you by a barrage of posts about your artificiality and your cruelty. Keep in mind that speaking ill of the dead (especially) in front of friends and family is universally condemned and abhorred even among the deviants and the criminals of all cultures. It is a rare person whom is not offended as a matter of shared humanity, even if they do NOT know the victim. There is something so base and cowardly, so insensitive and inhuman about such flippant contempt--that we are instinctively repelled and disgusted in reaction to it. Your ridiculous foray into a non issue showed cunning and deceit (congratulations), and confirmed for all (once again) that your "values" are simply whatever is expedient and opportunistic. You display a sick personality which can change from "They are not real and nothing matters" to "my deep loves of SI are very real--chapter 11" to "I take no offence when the object of my love is trashed and her friends are wounded by malice and lies--after all, the object of my deep love is dead so what does it matter" or to "Hey. What do you all think about free speech? Anybody disagree with it? I thought not"--all in the space of an hour. Well, THAT kind of a person is one who values ONLY "winning", and who has no conception of the feelings or existence of others. You know the word to describe you; and it is becoming more and more clear that THAT is precisely what you are. So have a good day twisting, turning...and making a damn fool spectacle of yourself. Will you be pretending today that people ARE real...or that they ARE NOT? Will you be pretending that comments DO "matter"...or that they DO NOT? Will you be pretending that people HAVE ideas and feelings...or that they HAVE NOT? Perhaps you will develop some really "deep" feelings today. I will check in (much) later to see what values and principles you are pretending to be holding for the nonce...