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Politics : Prime Minister Jean Chretien -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (241)11/28/2002 1:55:33 AM
From: marcos  Respond to of 443
 
'the yanquis aren't coming' - but Laz, you keep posting here, way north of the forty-ninth ... cuidado amigo, for as our great chief of the lakotah hath said, 'the meat of the buffalo tastes the same on both sides of the border' ... and he knew - this was in his post-Custer period

'UK vs. Argentina?' - UK.' - i'd forgotten, if i ever knew, whether those islands had ever had an indigenous population, perhaps one associated with old tribes of present Argentina ... so i just looked it up - yendor.com
- and apparently not, though they don't say specifically .... seems that a dutchman made the first undisputed sighting of the place, funny we didn't see any gouda cheeses being thrown about, they're like that i guess eh, probably all smoking doobies down there in Amsterdam somewhere watching the war on telly ... i did find this rather amusing, in light of our ongoing conversation, the first military action in the area, ahem -
'1831
The American warship USS Lexington destroys the Argentine settlement on East Falkland in reprisal for the arrest of three U.S. ships that had been hunting seals in the area.
'

... but all in all, i agree, defense by UK was justified ... they were brit settlers, long since established, and in any case i believe the argentinos pretty much wiped out what aboriginals they encountered, so that would wipe out any claim they could make on that account

'... those two had a war?
No. Just continuing threats and military 'exercises' along the tico border
'

Pastora was using costarriqueño jungle for his bases, just across the border, pretty much uninhabited area as i recall .... at no time were there hostilities between N and CR ... in any case, Pastora became very early on heartily disenchanted with the sort of scum that comprised the US-funded portion of the 'contras', and when he pulled his support Arde fell apart, it was no longer any considerable threat to the peace and good order of the nicaragüenses ... so you're trying to make a 'war' out of a few months perhaps when no doubt 'firm statements of protest' went from N to CR .... woo-woo .... now amigo, justify the argentino torturers being employed to terrorise villagers who couldn't bloody spell the word 'communist' much less understand what one was, or why they should hate anybody just because some foreigner called Reagan told them to ... try justifying crack cocaine being introduced to norteamericano cities to fund the effort, or the arms being sold to the mad priests of Persia

'Anybody is better than a communist.'

Oh, really? ... the old guy who used to salvage firewood from our claims in the sixties, who used to sell Pacific Tribune or whatever it was called on the street corner, who used to like the odd sociable beer and would listen patiently as i spouted canned aynrandisms to him - yes i too was once young and shallow - this old guy who had a reasonable sense of humour and on whom you could depend to help you in a pinch with whatever, he was somehow less in your eyes than your Leftenant Calley? ..... i don't think so Laz ... he was a veteran too, by the way, he had fought in the Scheldt, then was into Germany by that May ... no i like this old commie a lot better than the Calleys of this world, and their masters

' China vs. Vietnam?' Vietnam. Keeps China occupied.' - well there's a US-centric position eh, lol ... got to save face, eh ... well, face this - the US made hugely costly mistakes from 1945 through to 1975, with respect to Viet Nam .... they could have just let them be independent early on, tell the french to go stuff themselves ... Britain was shucking colonies left and right, the day of that sort of thing was clearly over ..... the vietnamese wanted independence above all, and this little war they had with the chinese sort of demonstrates that eh ... as does the fact that they preferred to deal with the russians and not the chicoms, as Moscow was at nicely more of a distance and shared no vulnerable land border with them .... 'domino theory', my ass

'the US got into those wars in 1917 and 1941'

Well there was a declaration of war in '17 yes ... as to the fine details of US performance in that struggle i am a little fuzzy, perhaps they saw action in the same year, don't know

'Kosovo in '99 i think, all in all
Uh, that's Europe's backyard. Where were they?
'

Indeed .... one i forgot to mention, and in which i support canadian participation, was the recent Afghanistan ... also, East Timor should have been defended from its islamofascist neighbours long before it was ... anzacs finally went in there, good on em .... question now seems to be Iraq, pushed ahead of the 'war' on terrorism by your Dubya, and i've formed no opinion on it yet .... serious deal, major consequences either way maybe, i would hope the canadian foreign office is thinking long and hard on this one