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To: i-node who wrote (155383)	11/28/2002 1:26:36 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572483

We've had this discussion before, where you admitted you detected no media bias when watching CNN. If you can't see it there, you can't see it anywhere. A person has be totally ignorant of factual information to miss the liberal bias, by lying, at CNN. First, I see what Honestreporting calls bias.......I am not blind to it as you suggest. However, I don't place the importance on that bias that they or you seem to do. I think most of their examples are fairly small in stature. Furthermore, opinions are not formed by one pic or one article as they imply but rather a series of articles and pics over time. I had a friend who worked for a major newspaper. We used to talk about the so called bias of journalists and their attempts to manipulate the public. True there may be some of that even though a good journalist is supposed to be better than that. However, I know that the better media outlets work very hard to expunge themselves of any bias.....and the best ones like the NY Times do the very best job but still bias can get through.......no one can be perfectly neutral 100% of the time and still be human. Having said that, I also think that some of what Honestreporting calls bias may in fact be the truth........a truth so unfamiliar to the average American reader and so contrary to conventional wisdom that it appears to be a lie intended to be manipulative. However, what we forget is that journalists are right up there where the action is and see many more things than we ever see, and are privy to things that we are not. For an example, there are Hollywood stars that the media unrelentingly presents as the devil incarnate but whom the public adores and refuses to believe the media's opinions........until such time as the truth comes out. In the same way, I think journalists see much of the real truth of what goes on in the Middle East, and its a different truth than we have been fed for many years. So that when they present their vision of the truth to us, it is so contrary to what has been understood to date and seemingly carries the taint of anti Americanism, our reaction is negative and we treat their truth as an unsavory, liberal bias. After doing numerous readings from as neutral sources as I could find [and that ain't easy to do], I don't think the media is presenting a liberal bias. I think the American vision of the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict is sorely in need of revision. Too many Americans, including yourself, know too little of the truth behind Palestinian history, or they choose to gloss over what truth they do know. And get this loud and clear........I am not making the Palestinians into the innocents nor am I saying that they do not have blood on their hands but at the same time the Israelis are not saints by any stretch of the imagination. In the Honestreporting article, they mention as evidence of media bias that Sharon is portrayed as a hardliner and a war criminal while Arafat is not. Well, hello......of course Arafat is not seen as a hard liner but rather as inept and without authority, a weak kind of leader, and that's the way he is portrayed. Does anyone think that's more attractive than being called a hardliner? Besides, there is just no way he can be seen as a hardliner. Secondly, it is not well known but Sharon IS a war criminal. He was found guilty of a war crime by an Israeli military tribunal. But let me also say this........I think Sharon goes beyond being a hardliner. I think he is an extremely manipulative, ingeniously deceitful leader who does all he can to incite tensions between Palestinians and Israelis. Based on his history, I consider him to be the absolute worse person to be leading Israel at this time. And any intelligent journalist covering the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has to see this dishonest and evil human being for what he is......so it does not surprise me that he is not well received by news article. Like I have said to you before, your ignorance of the Israeli/Palestinian history does you a disservice. If anything, our media errs too often on the side of the Israelis and that will be to our detriment. Some day I hope Americans wake up to the truth of what is going on in the Middle East. I believe that our leaders are not showing us that truth. And if we don't wake up soon, I think we are in for a world of hurt. ted

To: i-node who wrote (155383)	8/11/2003 6:14:53 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572483

Whatever criticisms there are of FOX, I've yet to find a bonafide incident in which FOX reporters lied to create distortion. Wow, I see them almost daily. For example, this morning: in discussing the recent skirmish between Israel and Hezbollah, the Fox Middle East correspondent said that there were two possible reasons for Hezbollah's attack on the Israeli settlement. The first reason was because Syria told them to do it. The second reason was because Iran told them to do it. The reporter made no mention of the real reason Hezbollah did it, which the reporter surely knew: "Hezbollah member killed, two other wounded in Beirut car bomb" . . . "Hezbollah placed 'the entire responsibility on Israel in this crime, which we consider flagrant aggression against our people and country', and added: 'this crime will not go unpunished.'" sg.news.yahoo.com "Hezbollah said it was to avenge the August 2 death of one of its militants in a Beirut car bomb blast that the group blamed on Israel." wanadoo.com.lb The pro-Israeli bias goes much deeper, of course. The Hezbollah attack has been uniformly referred to as an attack on Israel, when in fact it was an attack on Israeli settlements in Lebanon/Syria territory (Shebaa Farms). But that is not my point here. My point is that the Fox reporter lied. Incidentally, I found your post while doing a search for "Honestreporting.com". The fact that you cite this propagandist website as a source of unbiased information reveals a lot about you. Notice in their article on this topic that they lie in the exact same manner as the Fox reporter: Message 19198011 Tom