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To: Mani1 who wrote (155425)	11/29/2002 9:31:01 PM
From: brian1501	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579695

I think we both can agree that you know nothing about Islam other than what you have seen on news TV since 9/11. I don't disagree with questioning the whole religion based on the recent violent events, but to make such condemnations based on limited and one-sided source is a mistake. I know this wasn't pointed at me, but I had to comment anyway. I think Islam is getting such a bad wrap because it seems that nobody is willing to denounce the actions of the extremists without a "but". You get comments like "the terrorism is bad BUT you have to understand blah blah". Also, you have people preaching not only hate, but hate coupled with encouragement to kill. Terrorism (especially targeting kids etc) is one case where the end does not justify the means. It's so far from reasonable, it makes the lack of denouncement from other Muslims that much worse. With the radical Christians you at least don't have to look too far to find another Christian that will agree that they are idiots (without using a "but"), and you rarely (ever?) have someone preaching it's ok to kill somebody else. Brian

To: Mani1 who wrote (155425)	11/30/2002 4:30:28 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579695

Mani Re..I think we both can agree that you know nothing about Islam other than what you have seen on news TV since 9/11. I don't disagree with questioning the whole religion based on the recent violent events, but to make such condemnations based on limited and one-sided source is a mistake. Wouldn't that be true of everyone, who isn't Islam. The problem is that the Muslims have let the fundamentalist clerics do the talking, and they are talking hate. So why wouldn't the west think that Islam is a religion of hate, when its most vocal preachers are spewing hate? And if the Moslim masses disagree, I haven't heard anyone of importance in Islam take a hardline stance against the terrorism. Does Islam have a ruler such as the church has a pope, who is willing to speak out against the hardline clerics. If not the pope, how about a group of Inmans, who are willing to go on record as denouncing the terrorism. Why hasn't the head of America's branch of Islam publicly condemned the violence. Without an official condemnation by someone of importance, Dave's view will become the majority in the west soon.

To: Mani1 who wrote (155425)	11/30/2002 9:47:35 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579695

I think we both can agree that you know nothing about Islam other than what you have seen on news TV since 9/11. No, we can't. While there is a great deal of information out there about Islam since 9/11, I've been aware of the violent nature of Islam since the Salman Rushdie incident, perhaps before. I don't disagree with questioning the whole religion based on the recent violent events, but to make such condemnations based on limited and one-sided source is a mistake. I have looked for any evidence to the contrary, and I find none. Please don't misunderstand; there are other violent religions (I suspect more people have died in religious disputes than any other kind). However, the fact that a variant of a religion could be construed such that a "contract killing" is authorized is sufficient for me to see the truth about a religion. Similarly, that suicide bombings could be tolerated, let alone encouraged, by a religion, ought to make one think twice about it. I have no complaint against those who practice the religion devoid of its violent overtones. Nevertheless, the violence most certainly is a component of Islam, at least from the perspective of a large number of Muslims, that is at the heart of these problems.