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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (59392)12/1/2002 12:28:40 PM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 281500
 
>>Their easy, lavish hospitality -- once you have been admitted to their circle or to their country, which is never an easy task -- is legendary.<<

Towards whom, though, isn't that a question worth asking? We know how they treat most of their foreign workers -- beatings, rapes, virtual slavery.

What makes us think that the Saudi royals think any more highly of us, the generic Boobus Americanus?

Someone posted yesterday that the Saudis will not accept an ambassador who speaks Arabic. I can't think of a clearer sign of the contempt they actually feel for us. 1) They don't want the Ambassador to know what they're really saying; 2) they think we must be stupid.

It's similar to the contempt Arafat shows for the Jews -- he says one thing in Arabic, another thing in (what language? English? Surely he doesn't speak Hebrew) -- and assumes nobody will know the difference.

They think we're chumps.

Hey, you know what? I think we're chumps, too.

This whole relationship blows.

Don't forget, I know Americans who have been guest workers in Saudi Arabia. They were treated only marginally better than Philippinos or Pakistanis. No beatings, but otherwise treated like dirt.

I want the Wahhabi mosques OUT, at best, or at least have their tax free status ended.

What's the latest on the Saudi "visa express"? I hope that's done and over with, as well.

Edit: Saudi visa express said to be ended in July, 2002, due to complaints from congressmen. Write your congressmen, complain about the Wahhabi mosques teaching that Jews and Christians are descended from pigs and monkeys and deserve to die, right here in the good old USA, tax free.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (59392)12/1/2002 12:32:18 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
Saudi Arabia's Choice


Of course, what the House of Saud is telling our Government is, "Do you want Saudi Arabia turned into Iran?" Any fair election would put the Wahhabi Clerics in power, IMO. Then we would be faced with the possibility of overthrowing an elected Government.

So what we are doing is trying to do is reform the House of Saud and still leave them in power.

It is a problem that is not easily solved, that's for sure.