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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (69195)	12/3/2002 1:19:41 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

We are now differing on the meanings of objective and subjective. "Objective means that which belongs to, or proceeds from, the object known, and not from the subject knowing, and thus denotes what is real, in opposition to that which is ideal -- what exists in nature, in contrast to what exists merely in the thought of the individual. --Sir. W. Hamilton. Objective has come to mean that which has independent exostence or authority, apart from our experience or thought. Thus, moral law is said to have objective authority, that is, authority belonging to itself, and not drawn from anything in our nature. --Calderwood (Fleming's Vocabulary)." "subjective adj 1: taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment" [ant: objective] 2: (philosophy) of a mental act; occurring entirely within the mind" In my view, the differences between things are objective. They exist independently of any thought or experience of thought. The relative importance or unimportance of those differences is subjective. That is an activity occuring entirely within the mind; without mind, without thinking about and comparing them, differences cannot be either important or trivial, they just are. I'm not sure I can make my view any plainer than that.