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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (15343)	12/5/2002 12:26:28 AM
From: eddieww	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 19219

"Most IP for software products, consumer and enterprise... as well as software components of networking equipment." I may be having a "senior moment" here. IP? "...btw I don't include Linux because that is a unix variant which came from US)" Reminds me of a good one I read once: "Only two really important things came out of Berkeley, Unix and LSD. We do not consider this to be a coincidence." No attribution because I don't remember who wrote it. To call Linux just a variant of unix does a disservice to Torvalds. If it was just unix, nobody would ever have heard of it. But, Linus primarily wrote the kernel. Much of the development has been done by US programmers and much also from others around the world. A non-denominational effort, if you will. It's true that most of the primary design of computers, networks, and software has been done here. US DARPA was the pioneer. That said, an increasing amount of coding innovation and SW design is being done in India, as well as China. I remember well when Japanese cars, the sixties datsuns and hondas, were a joke. But Deming showed them a path, and now I won't own an american car. They are crap by comparison. Even the Korean cars, a joke in the eighties, are now better than Fords and Chevys. Just as our manufacturing base is gradually moving offshore, so will other areas where we once were dominant. We invented television, but do you know how long it's been since there was an american manufacturer of TVs? Stereo equipment? Cameras? These few things you've mentioned amount to a tiny fraction of our GDP, and they are in jeopardy. For the rest, we have to compete. Our competitive record isn't good. The world's leading ERP sw company is SAP. German. The second is PSFT. It would probably shock you if you knew how large a % of the development team at PSFT is Indian, Pakistani, and Chinese here on work visas because PSFT can't find enough educated americans. It's a travesty. Our last bastion of dominance and innovation is Financial Engineering. It remains to be seen whether those skills are a blessing or a curse.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (15343)	12/5/2002 12:55:50 PM
From: the_wheel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19219

Do you got me on ignore? I posted this to you yesterday: microsoft.com I believe this is a software company, n'est-ce pas? Look at what they are developing there. I don't think it is coffee beans. It is also outside the USA. And they are not doing it for ANY price, they are doing it for cheaper price. It also is operating system work, look at the projects, and not only that but it is the most prevelant operating system in the world, one of the richest countries in the world has accused it of being a monopolistic operating system as well. But he was correct there are many services and products that can't be produced outside the USA for ANY price. I don't think this is a difficult question. Has anybody tried using common sense or did that disappear when the new economy took over? I have paid for some services that can't be done offshore recently. Examples, some tree trimming services very costly $60 per hour for one. Well pump repair work at exorbidant per hour rates. Oh, driveway resurfacing, can't do that offshore, although the materials most likely came from offshore, the service certainly wasn't. Oh, and if you want to be picky about it, you could claim that some particular person is the only one in the world that could develop some IP because she is the only one with the idea planted in head. And no amount of money could make that one go offshore. I have a friend that would not leave SF for even 800T bucks, so he says, but I bet most SV engineers would move to Hyderbad for say 50 times their current salary, wouldn't you think? I mean like the company says Goa is only four hours away.