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To: D. Long who wrote (59953)12/5/2002 2:28:52 AM
From: D. Long  Respond to of 281500
 
Looks like the plan is wait for the Iraqi declaration, announce non-compliance based on the intelligence we have, and hope the Iraqis balk at inspectors raiding the sites, which would mean material breach on both terms - non-declaration and non-cooperation with the inspection teams.

washtimes.com
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U.S. set to cite Iraq for breach
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Bush administration is set to declare Iraq in violation of the U.N. resolution requiring Baghdad to give up weapons of mass destruction, The Washington Times has learned.
"It is going to be 'material breach,' not as a casus belli [cause for war] but as a basis to begin hammering Unmovic to do more," said an administration official familiar with the internal debate. Unmovic, or the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, is the arms-inspection group for Iraq.
Administration officials said a material-breach declaration will depend on whether Iraq fails to mention in its U.N. report some banned weapons programs identified in U.S. intelligence reports.
Iraq's report detailing everything it possesses related to weapons of mass destruction, which is due by Sunday, is required under a U.N. Security Council resolution passed Nov. 8.
A meeting of the White House National Security Council (NSC) is scheduled for today, and the Iraqi arms declaration will be the key topic. The president will not attend the gathering of senior officials of national security agencies, known as the principals committee.
U.S. officials said the administration has been withholding detailed intelligence on hidden Iraqi arms programs from U.N. inspectors. The information deals mostly with Iraq's covert chemical and biological arms.
"We do not want to tip our hand," the official said.
One piece of intelligence includes details on a cache of more than 1,800 gallons of anthrax spores, the officials said. Even tiny amounts of anthrax can be lethal. Less detailed intelligence has been gathered on Iraq's efforts to build nuclear weapons, the officials said.
The intelligence on the hidden weapons is said to be reliable and will be used to verify whether information presented by Iraq in its declaration is accurate.
An Iraqi general told the Associated Press yesterday that Baghdad will hand over the list of chemical, biological and nuclear programs Saturday, a day ahead of the U.N. deadline.
Gen. Hossam Mohammed Amin said the report will not disclose any banned weapons, "because, really, we have no weapons of mass destruction."
The U.S. position on how to respond to the Iraqi weapons list is being debated because of Baghdad's history of using deception to hide its arms programs, the officials said.
A U.S. policy of material breach, however, will be a key step toward the use of military force to oust the regime of Saddam Hussein, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The issue of declaring a material breach was discussed earlier this week at the NSC principals committee meeting, which, one official said, ended in "chaos" over disagreements on how to respond to the Iraqi declaration.
The administration expects Baghdad to turn over documents related to civilian programs that could be used to make chemical or biological arms, but nothing about covert weapons programs, the officials said.
President Bush said Tuesday that "any act of delay, deception or defiance will prove that Saddam Hussein has not adopted the path of compliance and has rejected the path of peace."
State Department and Pentagon spokesmen had no comment on the internal debate. A White House National Security Council spokesman also declined to comment.
Today's principals meeting will include Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who missed the first meeting because he was in South America.
U.N. weapons inspectors so far have not uncovered any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs or any illegal missile-development work.
Those in the administration who want to oust Saddam favor issuing a material-breach declaration soon after Iraq presents the list.
These officials include representatives of the Defense Department, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, along with Vice President Richard B. Cheney and his key national security aides.
Officials from the State Department, including Mr. Powell and Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage, oppose that view and favor slowing the timetable for military action.
These officials want to study the documents provided by Iraq and then continue U.N. arms inspections as a way to hold off military action.
Officials said Mr. Powell and Mr. Armitage are the leading opponents of using military force to oust Saddam. Both favor using the threat of force to compel Iraq to disarm, however.
According to the officials, Mr. Powell disagrees with administration officials who view Iraq, as Mr. Bush put it in an October speech, as a unique and "grave threat" to the United States.
Mr. Powell also does not share the view of Mr. Bush's senior advisers who say Saddam is likely to use weapons of mass destruction or share them with terrorists, the officials said.
"Powell favors endless inspections," one official said.
Mr. Powell is the main advocate of the argument that if Iraq gives up all its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs it would be tantamount to "regime change," even if Saddam remains in power.
Other officials say the secretary of state's position undermines efforts within the administration and among American allies for removing Saddam and setting up a democratic government in Baghdad.



To: D. Long who wrote (59953)12/5/2002 3:01:38 AM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi D. Long; Re: "Does the SecDef always have twice a week meetings about calling up the Reserves for a War-That-Will-Never-Happen?"

I saw the article earlier today and linked it into the thread here: #reply-18302792

To answer your question (which presumably refer to bolded parts of the article), the quote in the article suggests that this has been an ongoing twice weekly meeting, not one that has just started: "The issue [calling up of reserves] is important enough that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and their top aides meet about twice a week to discuss the Reserve call-ups, a senior military official said." This is not the same as: "and their aides have begun meeting twice a week". Meetings are not signs of serious conflict. Leadership in the military, industry and government go to meetings essentially constantly. That's what they do for a living. I sit down at a desk and type in VHDL. They go to meetings.

Re: "Mr. Rumsfeld is so concerned about the impact of any call-up that he recently ordered aides to review all potential mobilizations to ensure they are truly needed." So? The military reviews their plans essentially constantly.

If the military sends out 30-day notices to activate the 100,000 reserves required for a fight with Iraq, the news will be all over the front pages of every newspaper in the country. It simply hasn't happened yet.

The whole article is predicated on the first sentence, which is a big if: "The Pentagon is preparing for a major call-up of National Guard and Reserve troops, a move that would fill military jobs that would be critical if the United States goes to war against Iraq, Defense Department officials said today."

Re: "In what is likely to be only the first wave of new call-ups, the Pentagon is expected in the next several days to activate as many as 10,000 reservists, mainly military police units, for security duty here and abroad, officials said."

The problem with this statement is that it sounds to the typical civilian like war is in the air, but it doesn't actually say how many reservists would be activated. The attack on Afghanistan required 50,000 reserves to be activated, so 10,000 is not a particularly significant number. US activated reserves are already 34,000 below their peak from the Afghan war. And it is in the nature of reservists to "expect" to be activated at any time.

Probably the most telling quote is this one:

"Activating reserves is significant because it will affect every community in America, and it sends a signal that the president is serious," a senior military official said.

Translation: The president is sending a "signal", not starting a war.

This one is a bit of a hooter:

One defense official said today that if the Pentagon does not announce its expected call-up of 10,000 reservists in the next few days, Mr. Rumsfeld will probably postpone it until after Jan. 1.

This quote implies that the (up to) 10,000 reservists are not the nose of the camel, but are instead the whole shooting match. And that's just not enough to invade Iraq with. The whole thing about "postponing" it to "after Jan 1" reeks of more threat display, not force movement.

Like I've said before, you will know that a war is on when the papers are inundated with pictures of teary mothers kissing deploying soldiers. It ain't happened yet.

But if you want to predict, based on this article, that we'll be in a war with Iraq by, for example, January 20th, be my guest. I'll add your prediction to my list and send out a notice on the appropriate day.

-- Carl