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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (326006)	12/5/2002 2:57:09 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769670

Most lived in Jerusalem? No. Some may have had homes or a place to stay in Jerusalem, but according to scripture they went into hiding fearful of the Jews. Most were fishermen and would have lived near the sea, but even at that, they had been following Jesus throughout his ministry. And the Romans were also in the city of Jerusalem itself. You believe that history bears out that they were not a threat? Then why were they all(except John) killed because of their faith and belief? Did they immediately go back and start preaching No, as John and Luke recorded, they went into hiding and after the resurrection Jesus was among them for 40 days showing that he was alive and telling them what they would be doing once the Holy Spirit came upon them and a few days after the ascension the Holy Spirit came upon them on what is called now the dayt of Pentecost. That is when they began their ministry in earnest. In Jerusalem. The Jewish leaders who were afraid of having their place taken away would be on them like a bear on honey. If guards were there, why didn't they see the tombstone being moved, why didn't they stop it? Great question...why didn't they, IYO? If it was moved by an invisible force it would have been seen moving or suddenly have seen that the tomb was open OK, think about that. Scripture says that Jesus COULD have called 10 legions of angels to stop his death. If indeed there are angelic armies, what would they look like? Here is Matthew's account of the ressurection. <<After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you." So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me." While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day. If he was resurrected as a human, why didn't he appear to the Romans, they would have known then that they couldn't kill him and would therefore be terrified. Thousands, maybe millions, of conversions would have occurred almost instantly. Why would that be so? In Jesus' ministry a Roman Centurion came to Jesus and asked him to save his servant from dying, and even told Jesus he did not have to come to his house but only say the word and it would be done..why did he say that? Because he knew the power of Jesus. And he knew how power worked because he had soldiers under him, and when he ordered one of his soldiers to do something, he knew it was going to be done. (I forget the #, but a centurion was in charge of a good number of soldiers.)but there was no big conversion of Roman soldiers because of that instance.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (326006)	12/5/2002 2:59:07 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

These are two speeches taken from William Peter Blatty's "The Ninth Configuration". In order for life to have appeared on earth there first had to be in existence a protein molecule of a certain dissymmetrical configuration, the configuration point nine. But according to the laws of probability, for one of these molecules to appear by chance alone would require a volume of matter of more than--well--many trillions and trillions of times that of the size of the entire universe; and considered strictly from the angle of time and given a volume of matter equivalent to the earth's, such a probability would require ten to the two hundred and something power billions of years--a number with so many zeros in it you couldn't fit them into a book the size of "The Brothers Karamazov". And that's just one molecule. For life to appear, you would have to have millions in existence and at roughly the same time. Which I find more fantastic than simply believing in God. I have given some thought to one of your problems, the one wherein you question why God does not end man's honest confusion concerning what it is that He expects him to do, by simply appearing to him and telling him in an unequivocal way. What if a man in shining garments appeared tomorrow hovering in the air above a great city and declared to all that he was sent to us by God; and that as a credential of his claim he would perform any miracle that was asked of him? And suppose that he was asked to make the sun do figure eights in the sky for precisely twenty-six minutes, beginning at noon the following day. And suppose that he accomplished that. Would we believe him? Well, I think that for a while all would believe, all those who saw what he had done. But after a week or so, I fear only those of good will would still believe; all others would be talking of autosuggestion, mass hysteria, mass hypnosis, coincidence, unknown forces and the like. It is not what we see in the sky that helps; it is what is in the heart: a right hope, a good will. I hope this help you.