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To: Fred Levine who wrote (66929)	12/6/2002 11:34:47 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Fred - By Eastern thinking, I was referring to the eastern philosophies (i.e. "Art of War", Buddhism, etc). To the extent that Islamists "think", I doubt if it is anything but monocolor, or clear-cut black & white at best. I'm sure you are aware of the brutal method that Attaturk secularized Turkey.... Turkey was secularized overnight by Ataturk, who ordered one day that the country was now secular - changed the alphabet to latin letters, changed clothing standards, the whole works. If you want to call that "brutal", that's OK by me. But I do not see how else an empire (where the padishah was also the head of all Muslims everywhere) recently reconstituted as a republic could shed its religious roots, given the circumstances (Ataturk was a dictator, albeit a benevolent one who shortly after he did these reforms gave way to democratic two-party elections). ... , including the expulsion of Greeks. Sorry, you lost me there. 1) What does the expulsion of a minority have anything to do with a country giving up religious overtones and turning secular? Especially if the minority in question is Orthodox Christian? 2) I doubt if there was an "expulsion of Greeks". I don't know much history but I have read a little about this bit, and apparently this is what happened: Ottoman Empire lost WWI along with Germany. The Allies divided it up and started an invasion (Greeks entered Western Anatolia). Padishah got a deal and did not fight back. Ataturk went underground and organized resistance. His army fought the Greek army in Western Turkey and won. I believe the Greek minority in Turkey left even before its formation, after it became clear that the Greek army was losing. By the way, if you have a stomach for such things, there is quite a bit of documentation out there explaining in atrocities that took place (against the Turks) when the Greeks invaded Izmir. When they were defeated by Ataturk's army, no wonder Greeks were not safe in Izmir anymore and left Turkey to go live in the islands or mainland Greece.