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To: stockman_scott who wrote (60164)12/6/2002 12:09:16 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Respond to of 281500
 
OT Done. Thank you, Scott.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (60164)12/6/2002 12:30:25 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
From the Christian Science Monitor, more about the Pew Poll
US unpopular among key allies
President Bush said Wednesday that while he has little faith in polls, the US is working to demonstrate that it is fighting terrorism, not a religion, and that it will "continue to make that message work."

Turkish leaders put conditions on support for the US on Iraq, citing public opinion.

By Howard LaFranchi | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – America's flagging image around the world since the September 2001 terrorist attacks is crimping the Bush administration's ability to build a coalition for a possible Iraq war.
At the top of the US list of "essential" war partners, Turkey is a case in point. More than half of Turks see American antagonism towards Iraq not as resulting from the country's threat to world peace, but as "part of the US's war against Muslim countries.
This week, Turkey's new Islamist government bowed to domestic opinion, responding to American diplomatic pressure with a "yes, but": The US may use Turkish territory for a military campaign against Iraq, but only if it proceeds under the mantle of the United Nations Security Council, and with a second UN resolution authorizing the use of force.

The move represents the uneasy balance leaders around the world are striking between what they consider a geopolitical necessity - cooperating with the US - and domestic opposition to war with Iraq. As worldwide public opinion of the US sinks, people in key countries increasingly see the "war on terrorism" as aimed at Muslims, and the impending conflict with Iraq as a global bully targeting a personal enemy.

"Dislike of the US is accentuated in Muslim countries, [but] most disturbing is a decline in favorable ratings in countries like Turkey and Pakistan," countries key to the war on terrorism or to any war with Iraq, says Andrew Kohut, director of The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

Bullying Muslim countries?

The Washington institute just completed a survey of 44 countries about views of the US, the war on terrorism, and conflict with Iraq. People in key Islamic countries increasingly see the US as "picking on Muslim countries," Mr. Kohut says.

Saudi Arabia is another telling case. In a country the US defended from Iraq in the Gulf war, poor opinion of American policy is forcing a regime already in a delicate position with its public to waffle on supporting the US on Iraq. Pew researchers were not allowed into Saudi Arabia, but America's tarnished image is clear in the Saudi press, as well as from concerns expressed by both countries' officials.

The US wants overflight rights and use of Saudi bases where its forces are stationed, as well as a Saudi commitment to fill any global oil-production gaps during a war. But as one Saudi official made clear this week, the country is in no hurry to publicly demonstrate compliance with US wishes.

At a press conference in Washington Tuesday, Adel al-Jubeir, foreign policy adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, said his country would "need to see how the [UN weapons] inspections go, and how extensive Iraqi cooperation is" before making any commitments to the US. Echoing Turkey's stance, he added, "Iraq needs to be dealt with in the United Nations."

Less popular

According to the Pew survey, favorability towards the US has slid most markedly since 9/11 in key Muslim countries like Pakistan (-13 percent, to only 10 percent favorable), Indonesia (-14), and Kenya, where Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization is thought to be gaining favor, (-14). Opinion of the US in Turkey plunged from 52 percent favorable to 30 percent.

President Bush said Wednesday that while he has little faith in polls, the US is working to demonstrate that it is fighting terrorism, not a religion, and that it will "continue to make that message work."

Calling Islamic terrorists "a group of fanatics that have hijacked a religion," Bush said "I understand the propaganda machines are cranked up in the international community that paints our country in a bad light. We'll do everything we can to remind people that we've never been a nation of conquerors; we're a nation of liberators."

Mr. Bush said the world should pay more attention to the progress in one Islamic country - Afghanistan - following the US removal of the Taliban regime there. "I would ask the skeptics to look at Afghanistan, where not only [did] this country rout the Taliban, which was one of the most barbaric regimes in the history of mankind, but thanks to our strength and our compassion, many young girls now go to school for the first time."

Yet while the plunge in America's image is most pronounced in Muslim countries such as Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, it doesn't stop there. Opinion of the US is also sagging among Western partners like Germany, Italy, and Great Britain, though in those countries large majorities still view the US positively. (French opinion of the US actually climbed 1 percent, to 63 percent positive).

Indeed, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is now working to mend relations with the Bush administration after he ran a successful reelection campaign opposing American military intervention in Iraq. That electoral stance fed off of a souring view of the US among Germans - and Mr. Schroeder is not reversing that stand.

Out of step with the world?

Taken together, the Pew survey and other recent opinion polls suggest a growing gap between the US and the rest of the world.

"They see us as out of step," says former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who chaired the Pew project. "There's a complete disconnect between the way we see ourselves in the world and the way they see us."

A survey of Americans released this week by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland shows a majority of Americans, 57 percent, believe the US goal in Iraq should be to overthrow Saddam Hussein. But in a large number of countries, the continuing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is seen as a greater international threat than Hussein.

Still, the US does have areas of convergence with broader world opinion. While Europeans and Muslims generally oppose using force to remove Hussein, they often favor his removal - even three-quarters of Germans say he should be removed.

And despite Bush's public dismissal of polls, it appears the White House is interested in knowing what the world thinks of the US. After Pew director Kohut reviewed the center's findings with journalists Wednesday, he went straight to a meeting with Karl Rove, Bush's chief political strategist.

How they see the US

The percentage of people in the following countries with a favorable view of the United States:

1999/2000 2002 Change
Germany 78% 61% -17%
Great Britain 83 75 -08
Italy 76 70 -06
France 62 63 +01
Russia 37 61 +24
Turkey 52 30 -22
Pakistan 23 10 -13
Indonesia 75 61 -14
Kenya 94 80 -14
Source: Pew Research Center for the People and the Press



To: stockman_scott who wrote (60164)12/6/2002 12:51:09 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Between war and peace, Iraq's list

By Sunday, UN officials will be knee-deep in documents detailing the weapons Iraq says it does, and doesn't, have.

By Scott Peterson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor www.christiansciencemonitor.com

BAGHDAD, IRAQ – Iraq will submit to the United Nations this weekend a required full declaration of its prohibited weapons and dual-use programs, a report that is expected to span thousands of pages in English and Arabic.
But with this inventory, Iraq walks a difficult line between war and peace, between the US and the UN, and perhaps between truth and fiction.

"This is Saddam Hussein's last chance to come clean," says David Albright, who heads the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington. If Iraq admits to the UN that it still has weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs, rallying international support to disarm Saddam Hussein through force becomes more difficult. "No one is going to bomb him, because he finally tells the truth [about having such weapons programs]. But does he believe that?"

Iraqi officials continue to deny having any WMD programs. But the US and Britain say their intelligence shows Baghdad is still developing those weapons.

"If Iraq sticks to their story that they have no WMD, I would interpret that they feel that war is inevitable - and so why give away anything?" says Mr. Albright, who spent five years working closely with Iraq inspectors for the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

During the 1990s, Iraq submitted eight flawed "full, final, and complete" disclosures to the UN, and sought to hide the extent of Iraq's advanced nuclear, chemical, biological, and ballistic-missile programs.

Some analysts argue that even if all that remains is a fraction of Iraq's original arsenal from before the 1991 Gulf War - up to 95 percent was destroyed by the UN in the 1990s, according to one count - what is left could still be dangerous.

"We expect this declaration to account for this stuff, at least," says Mark Sedwill, a British government Middle East spokesman, who was attached to a 1997 UNSCOM team tasked with unraveling Iraq's concealment mechanism. "The declaration is going to be difficult to get right, since they say they have nothing. Admitting they were lying will actually be compliance."

The mountain of data sent to the UN this weekend is supposed to account for everything from missing ingredients for making weapons to lists of Iraqi plastics factories and distillery equipment that can also be used for brewing biological and chemical toxins. It will be Iraq's most explicit signal of its willingness to comply - or reject - the UN Security Council resolutions.

Already, different interpretations of Iraq's documents are emerging about what will constitute "compliance" or a "violation" of UN requirements, and whether this will alter the course of the US-led showdown.

"Clearly the [Bush] administration doesn't want any good news from Baghdad," says Judith Kipper, a senior Middle East specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "The president and vice president have already set up very low expectations - in fact, expectations of noncompliance.

"[UN Secretary General] Kofi Annan is saying one day that the Iraqis are complying, that everything is OK, it's working so far," Ms. Kipper says. "At the same time, the president is saying it's not good enough, they're cheating."

Whether or not the US rejects the declaration, it may have difficulty toppling the Iraqi ruler on its own: Going through the UN "creates a certain track, which you can't walk away from," Albright says. "If Iraq complies, the US can't say, 'We were tricked, we're now going to invade.'"

While experts say it will take time for UN inspection chiefs to scrutinize the new declaration, its voluminous contents will provide a framework for future inspections - and verification that WMD efforts are shut down.

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, in his first comment since UN teams began their work after a four-year hiatus, declared yesterday that Iraqis "do not like the colors falling between white and black," and therefore "like to deal with their enemies standing in one trench," according to an official translation of his remarks.

While decrying "weakness, surrender, or cowardice," however, he told members of the Iraqi leadership that, "to keep our people out of harm's way," Iraq would give the UN a "proper chance to resist, with tangible evidence, the American allegations that Iraq produced WMD during the period of the inspectors' absence."

US and British officials are almost certain to reject the Iraqi declaration, experts say, regardless of its contents. France and Russia - two other permanent members of the UN Security Council - are likely to hail whatever documents are produced as a step toward full compliance.

Caught in the middle are the inspectors. "Iraq wants us to be very light. The US wants us to be extremely severe," said Dimitri Perricos, head of the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC), late Wednesday. "We think what we are doing is the proper job, and getting good results."

Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan late on Wednesday accused the UN of sending spies for inspections with a mission to make a case for war. "The inspectors have come to provide better circumstances and more precise information for a coming aggression," Mr. Ramadan told a visiting Arab delegation, noting that information gathered by UN inspectors in the late 1990s helped map out the target set for US air strikes during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998.

"The [UN] resolution is loaded with land mines; one bigger than the other, and the aim is that one of those would explode," Ramadan said.

IN THE face of US and Iraqi complaints, Mr. Perricos says that no nation is "serving up" its intelligence so that inspectors can reveal any illicit WMD activity. "What we are getting [in intelligence], and what President Bush is getting, is different," Perricos says. "The people who sent us here are the UN and international community. We are not serving the US. We are not serving the UK."

A baseline for Iraq's declaration will be an accounting of material that inspectors from the UN Special Commission (UNSCOM) could not find until they departed in 1998, which includes hundreds of tons of precursor chemicals for VX nerve agent, certain quantities of other lethal agents and biological material, and possibly a dozen modified Scud missiles. "There will be huge information containing new sites and new activity during their absence, but they are not prohibited activities," said Hassam Mohamad Amin, of the Iraqi Monitoring Directorate on Wednesday. He added that there would be no new material about WMD programs.

The rhetoric is heating up, even though Iraq insists that it will comply, to avoid war. "It's classic Iraqi behavior: They are smart, they can be very charming and very helpful," says Kipper of the CSIS. "But this regime is extremely gifted at concealment. It's a huge country, and who knows what is buried in the middle of the desert?"

That still doesn't spell inevitable war. "In the end, the president has the awesome burden of deciding to send American boys and girls potentially to their death in the Iraqi desert," Kipper says. "Can he do that, if there is a UN process; if there is no immediate threat or provocation?"



To: stockman_scott who wrote (60164)12/6/2002 7:09:08 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Respond to of 281500
 
OT Scott, great news, 85,000 have signed as of 2 this afternoon!!!



To: stockman_scott who wrote (60164)12/6/2002 8:23:29 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 281500
 
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