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To: JohnM who wrote (60175)	12/6/2002 12:41:58 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

You have to love these very civil responses. It isn't "Personal" John, its "Foreign Affairs." lindybill@godfather.com

To: JohnM who wrote (60175)	12/6/2002 12:44:28 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

'Dirty' Bomb Suspect Wins In Court NEW YORK, Dec. 4, 2002 cbsnews.com Jose Padilla has been barred from meeting with lawyers since his arrest May 8. (Broward County, Fl.) "I think it's almost certain the government will appeal the ruling in the Padilla case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals." Andrew Cohen, (CBS) A federal court has authority to decide whether Jose Padilla, a former Chicago gang member accused of plotting with terrorists to detonate a radioactive "dirty" bomb, was properly detained as an enemy combatant, a judge ruled Wednesday. Padilla has been barred from meeting with lawyers since his arrest May 8. U.S. District Judge Michael Mukasey said Wednesday that Padilla may meet with them now. The ruling was a blow to the government, which had argued that Padilla, a U.S. citizen, had no right to challenge its actions in court because he was detained as an "enemy combatant." "I think it's almost certain the government will appeal the ruling in the Padilla case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals," reports CBSNews.com Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen. "And either the appeals court will go along with the government and stay things for a while, or it will back the trial judge, which will create a conflict between the 2nd and 4th Circuits that probably will spur the United States Supreme Court to get involved. Padilla was arrested on a material witness warrant issued by a grand jury and secretly held in a federal jail. He has been in a Navy brig since he was declared an "enemy combatant" in June and transferred to the control of the U.S. military. The government says the "enemy combatant" declaration allows it to hold him without formal criminal charges. The government said Padilla twice met with senior al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan in March and discussed a plot to detonate a radiological weapon in the United States. A spokesman for U.S. Attorney James B. Comey had no immediate comment. Lawyers for Padilla did not immediately return a telephone message for comment.

To: JohnM who wrote (60175)	12/6/2002 1:28:18 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There is a difference between calling some of the radical Left "anti-American", which they openly invite with their "we had it coming" responses to 9/11, and calling all the Left "unpatriotic". There are conservative commentators, to be sure, who do the latter, though most mainstream conservatives are doing only the former. But the Left makes it easy for those who would tar them all with one brush by not disassociating itself from the anti-American wing, or even admitting that this wing exists. Cries of "stop calling criticism of the administration unpatriotic!" are not going to gain the Democrats any votes that I can see, save among the choir, since there has been very little evidence of calling mere criticism unpatriotic. Who has impugned the patriotism of Senator Kennedy or Senator Byrd? Of course, it would help the Democrats more if they could figure out a foreign policy that they were actually for -g-