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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (326512)12/7/2002 1:39:44 AM
From: ManyMoose  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Either you can't read or you are extraordinarily biased against freedom. Take out the Bill of Rights. The second amendment says: the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It does NOT say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. What it does say about a well organized militia is that it is necessary to the security of a free state.

Show me one other place in the constitution where it says "the people" and it does not mean the people as individuals but the right of the government. If you can, then maybe we'll have some room for discussion. You had better be calling for a constitutional convention, because it's full of places where the people's rights are protected. It's not going to fall easily.

Or you could be just stupid like the Ninth Circuit Court and Sarah Brady. This has been explained over and over again to you and you still refuse to understand it.



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (326512)12/7/2002 2:18:26 AM
From: d[-_-]b  Respond to of 769670
 
JF,

re:OK....so the 2nd protects the right of a state militia to own weapons....

The Bill of rights is completely full of individual rights - not one states rights example in the whole document. Do you have a reading or comprehension problem?

re:Which state militia do you belong to????

If they call me I'll be there with my gun(s) as expected.

In case you don't have a copy handy:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.