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To: paul_philp who wrote (60469)	12/7/2002 6:59:55 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

do see that rest of the world (Tony Blair excepted) has not met the call of history. The Democratic Party looks so disheveled today because the thinking they bring to issues today is pre 9-11 thinking. It doesn't resonate well. I see little evidence that the Republican Party has changed it's thinking either. By and large they are saluting the leader and hoping nobody notices that they don't know what they are doing. In 50 years, when that time's Huntington write the replacement to "Clash of Civilizations", they will be writing the history of the new global order. The first sentence will be: "It first became apparent that the old world order had broken down on Sept. 11, 2001". Good post. I dare say you are right.

To: paul_philp who wrote (60469)	12/7/2002 7:43:36 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk? Dove? or Crazy Dreamer? You had better not let anybody in Canada have your address!

To: paul_philp who wrote (60469)	12/7/2002 8:16:03 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thanks for the long post. I would share back with some long statement of my position but I have the feeling I've already done that extensively. As you can see, we are at different places for different reasons. Let's see a couple. I gather from a previous post you consider we are already into a clash of civilization; I think Al Q was trying to push us there with 9-11 but, one of the ways I approve of Bush's work, he and some of his administration have resisted that. Witness his most recent visit to a mosque and continued statements that it's not Islam that is the American foe but "terror." I must put that in quotes because it is such a floating signifier. Covers the waterfront and, in my view, is a part of a our problem. I also gather from your posts, you will look with greater favor on Bush the more vigorously he prosecutes a war against Iraq. As you can see, I think there are two more important priorities: searching out and destroying Al Q's effectiveness, and initiating a large program, perhaps something on the order of a Marshall plan, for the ME. Well, that's two things. As for Canada, it certainly sounds politically more comfortable for me than my state of origin, Texas. The Democratic party of Yarborough, etc. is not to be seen. And the Republican party of the evangelicals has taken control. Uggh

To: paul_philp who wrote (60469)	12/7/2002 8:55:38 PM
From: jcky	Respond to of 281500

Hi paul, In 50 years, when that time's Huntington write the replacement to "Clash of Civilizations", they will be writing the history of the new global order. The first sentence will be: "It first became apparent that the old world order had broken down on Sept. 11, 2001". Fifty years is a very long time for history to transpire. Perhaps, the significance of 9/11 has been overplayed or underplayed. We really just don't know yet.

To: paul_philp who wrote (60469)	12/8/2002 12:48:23 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Thank you for the post! I believe there was transformation also. And hopefully, it will get us to this place: It means inspiring the people in the Middle East to build a better life for themselves and their children. It means co-evolving with them. The worldview of the people of the Middle East will change only to the degree that our worldview changes.