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To: LindyBill who wrote (60909)	12/10/2002 1:11:54 PM
From: BigBull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

LB some pretty amazing news is starting to come out of Iran within the past few days that I thought you and the thread might be interested in. I wanted to link it up to the last Ledeen article you posted that was somewhat critical of one of Tom Friedmans recent columns on Iran. Couldn't find it so I'll just thread off of your last post. If you recall, Ledeen indicated that the recent student demonstrations in Teheran and other cites were merely sparked by the Adjahari death sentence. He went on to say that the demonstrators demands were for something much more radical than merely an Islamic Reformation. Rather, they were about holding a referendum that would be the first step in completely dis-empowering the Mullah's and creating a secular society and govt. in Iran. I believe that Ledeen gave the more penetrating analyses. What is striking is that now very large crowds are turning out on the streets of Teheran in support of the students demands. 8,000 - 10,000 ordinary Iranian citizens turning out in a country like Iran is really quite extraordinary - imo. ------------------------------------------------------------ Teheran in turmoil as hardliners and reformists clash Conservatives holding unelected posts storm out of Parliament after they are challenged to face a referendum straitstimes.asia1.com.sg About 8,000 people demonstrated in and around Tehran University on Saturday. The event showed ordinary Iranians were prepared to join the students, who in recent weeks have led the largest pro-reform protests in more than three years. ------------------------------------------------------------ 10,000 join student protest in Teheran By Wendell Steavenson in Teheran (Filed: 09/12/2002) telegraph.co.uk More than 10,000 people defied riot police to gather outside Teheran university in a show of support for reformist students and a sign of a wider dissatisfaction with the regime. Students march towards the gates of Teheran University holding a poster of the former prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh This was by far the largest coming together of ordinary people in Teheran since student protests began a month ago, although in these difficult times it had to be a demonstration pretending not to demonstrate as police kept people moving along the pavements

To: LindyBill who wrote (60909)	12/10/2002 2:02:06 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

Pretty clear we'll have to agree to disagree here, Bill. The campus housing issue which the WTimes piece ripped on has been around for sometime and is complicated. But, like with much else from them, it's simply an opportunity for them to do some bashing. In no way did they take the issues seriously.