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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (327792)	12/10/2002 8:39:38 PM
From: E. T.	Respond to of 769670

I don't see the flaw. God, they (who know?) say, exists outside of time, in timelessness. The universe exists in time, which is our realm of experience. And everything in our physical realm appears to have a beginning and an end.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (327792)	12/10/2002 8:39:51 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

That is not a flaw. Science acknowledges that the universe began at a point in time. It is also accepted by science that the universe is not bouncing or oscillating with a big crunch to start the big bang again. * * *

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (327792)	12/11/2002 5:36:00 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

How is it you're comfortable with a Creator that always was but not with a universe that always was? We already know the universe had a beginning some eons ago... Isn't that a flaw in your reasoning? Not at all, but I can see how you might wrongly arrive at that conclusion... How can you possibly explain something that can't be understood by man? This is exactly my point, understanding and comprehending God remains outside and far beyond all human efforts... If God is outside of our logic doesn't the concept become, for all intents and purposes, absurd and meaningless? No... there are many things outside our ability to grasp and system of logic, but those conditions alone don't automatically make them absurd and/or meaningless... for a quick example, if you went back in time to the 1880's and tried to explain faxes and email to a pony express rider, your comments might sound absurd and meaningless, but it doesn't automatically mean they are in fact absurd and meaningless... GZ