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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/10/2002 10:56:50 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 281500

Sure I'll believe that and you can believe Israel is a peaceful nation.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/10/2002 11:57:36 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Speaking of Blogs, here is an item from Reason's new one. Martin Sheen's Oedipus Problem, And Ours "I think he'd like to hand his father Saddam Hussein's head and win his approval for what happened after the Gulf War. That's my own personal opinion ? I don't know if that's true. I hope it's not, but I suspect it is." That's TV president Martin Sheen musing on the real president's motivation for a sequel to the Gulf War. Sheen, the father of recidivist celebrity Charlie, surely knows a thing or two about a son's desperate need for recognition from a famous parent. His comments came earlier today, at a Hollywood press conference held by beautiful people (and MAS*H second-string second banana Mike Farrell) to announce a letter they'd written urging Dubya to resist war in the Middle East. Reportedly, more than 100 celebrities (and Mike Farrell, who ironically owes his life of luxury to war and the sitcoms it inspires) signed the letter. The exact contents of the letter were not revealed but given that the likes of Carl Reiner and Elliott Gould were involved, it can be assumed that it wasn't funny. And that its very existence is more disheartening to those of us who actually agree that Iraq can be contained without a full-scale invasion than it is to those on the other side of the issue.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/11/2002 1:28:05 AM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

what did these people have on the princess to shake her down like this? Who is she related to?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/11/2002 1:35:09 AM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

I will spend my time asking, what did these people have on the princess to shake her down like this? IMHO, u will be spending a lot of fruitless time.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/11/2002 2:53:20 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Hmmm. Looks like Labor's voters don't agree with their Leadership move to the left. washingtonpost.com Dovish Lawmaker Loses Seat in Israel Reuters Wednesday, December 11, 2002; Page A23 JERUSALEM, Dec. 10 -- Israel's Labor Party, which championed the Oslo accords with the Palestinians, dealt the country's battered peace camp another blow today, slapping down an architect of the landmark 1993 agreement. Final results in the Labor Party's vote Monday to choose parliamentary candidates for the Jan. 28 general election showed that Yossi Beilin, 54, lost his bid to remain in the Knesset, Israel's legislature. Four years ago, in the previous Labor primaries, Beilin was ranked second on the center-left party's list of candidates. In Monday's vote, held after more than two years of Israeli-Palestinian violence, Beilin fell to 39th place. That would put him well out of range of winning a place in the 120-member Knesset with opinion polls showing Labor winning only 20 seats in the January election under Israel's single-constituency, proportional voting system. Political commentators said Labor members, who replaced their hawkish leader, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, with the dovish Amram Mitzna last month, believed Beilin was too closely identified with the Oslo accords, which many Israelis view as dead. "Yossi Beilin is today a minority in a party which is seeking its way toward the center and in a country as a whole in which [Palestinian leader Yasser] Arafat is not relevant," commentator Emmanuel Rosenne said on Army Radio.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (60987)	12/11/2002 9:05:44 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Hey, in Israel, if your party won't vote you into office, just move to another party! Beilin, Dayan to run on joint list with Meretz (UPDATE) The Jerusalem Post Internet Staff Dec. 11, 2002 Former justice minister Yossi Beilin, an architect of the Oslo Accords, and lawmaker Yael Dayan plan to run for the Knesset on a joint list with the left-wing Meretz Party. According to Army Radio, they reached an agreement to run with Meretz leader Yossi Sarid this afternoon, after Labor Party leader Amram Mitzna failed to persuade Beilin from bolting his party. Under the agreement, Beilin will run in the 11th and 12th spots respectively on the Meretz list. Meretz delegates are scheduled to convene on Thursday to vote on the agreement, the radio says. Earlier this year, frustrated by Labor's presence in the Sharon government, he formed a new political movement, called "Shahar" or Hebrew for dawn. Shahar will now join forces with Meretz, with the possibility of merging them into a new Social Democratic party after the elections, said Beilin spokesman Uri Zaki. In a statement, Beilin said he hoped to strengthen the peace camp in Israel "in light of extremist trends that characterize elections in Likud and Labor." Both Beilin and Dayan left Labor today after being ranked too low in a party primary to be reelected to the next Knesset. Dayan is the daughter of the late war hero and former foreign minister, Moshe Dayan.