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To: TH who wrote (61015)	12/11/2002 1:38:01 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

please post elsewhere, IMHO.

To: TH who wrote (61015)	12/11/2002 3:13:09 AM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hello Thurston Howell; I understand that you are emotional about this; we all have deep-seated feelings about falling into this global maelstrom. I do, however, have a serious problem with: I agree completely with this. It is very sad that this Arab population is so ignorant. To cheer, to celebrate death, its very telling of their character as a people. And they make me want to kill them, and that is not my nature. I have begun to think of them as animals. which, to my mind, clearly advocates genocide. I cannot permit you to promulgate that message on the Foreign Affairs Discussion Group. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. --FaultLine

To: TH who wrote (61015)	12/11/2002 4:18:42 AM
From: Climber	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hello Thurston I believe the vast majority of American would like to see them dead too. I take it, from your previous post, that you're talking about Arabs, or "the Arab population." If so, I hope you get a chance sometime -- perhaps after the present troubles -- to travel in Arab lands. You might start in Morocco, Tunisia, or the Emirates. These are all relatively safe places, with many Western travelers, and you won't stand out. When you feel comfortable there, move on to Lebanon, or Egypt, or Jordan. You will find -- again, after the current troubles subside, and they will, "inshallah" -- that you will be treated, by the average citizen you meet on the street, more courteously than would ever expect in even the most friendly small town in America. You'll be peppered with questions about life in the U.S., and invited to share tea and probably tobacco, dates, figs and sweets. Perhaps even a meal in a home. In the oldest parts of the cities you visit you will be treated best. Some people -- a very few -- may dislike you because of what your skin color or religion or passport represent, but the peer pressure of the many others around them who will want to know you will keep them silent. After all, there's nothing more dishonorable in the Arab world than to treat a guest poorly. This applies not only to Arab states, but to most Muslim countries as well. I recently returned from Bangladesh, where I felt most welcomed, and from Egypt where I was cautious but not afraid, and also treated well. I urge you to get out and meet the people you claim to hate. A very, very tiny minority will be antagonistic to you. But you can expect that anywhere. Some will want to pick your pockets (what else is new). Most will befriend you. Cheers, Climber

To: TH who wrote (61015)	12/11/2002 10:14:58 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

If honesty is offensive, then I should post elsewhere. As I recall from your original post, you wish to see all Arabs dead. If that's true, please don't post here any longer. If that's not true, you might try to clarify.

To: TH who wrote (61015)	12/11/2002 11:43:17 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

And I am making a point, just not a subtle one. Violence will be required to end this. And although it is completely against my nature and my preference, I am fully prepared to support it. I agree, but we must clearly distinguish between the Islamist terrorists who are trying to kill us and Arabs in general. I want to see the Arabs as brutally disillusioned about the 'benefits' of Militant Islam as they are about the 'benefits' of Socialism. I agree that violence will be required to accomplish this. But the only end to wish for is to see the Arab states join the modern world. Once people have a stake in their own government, they will care about their own lives, not sink their identities into the foreign football match of the Israeli/Pal conflict or dreams of a new caliphate. We should never for a moment let ourselves stop regarding Arabs as human beings. Indeed, as I have said repeatedly, I think it those who make excuses for Arab terrorism and human rights abuses, who judge them on a different scale from Israelis or Europeans, who are regarding them as less than human. This includes the US government, which has always behaved as if democracy was the property of Westerners, but not something to strive for in the Arab world. I am glad to see that that too is changing now.