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To: Rollcast... who wrote (67039)12/11/2002 1:18:16 PM
From: zonder  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 70976
 
Islam means "submission to GOD"

Does the daily prayers where Muslims bow down to the carpet in front of their god ring a bell?

submission.org

Just how ignorant do you have to be to think that "submission" here means the submission of the followers of other religions to Islam by brute force???

By the way, I looked at the link you provided, clicked on the "What is Islam" part, and instead of the sentence you have pasted, I got this:

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What is Islam ?

...Allah's messenger (SAW) replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly (Iqamat-as-Salat), to give Zakat (Islamic Tax) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan,..."*

(Sahih-Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Hadith No.47)
*extra perform the HAJJ

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that Allah revealed through all his prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world’s population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy and forgiveness.

What do Muslims believe?

Muslims believe in One, Unique Incomparable God (Allah); in the angels created by Allah; in the prophets through whom Allah’s revelations were brought to mankind; in the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in Allah’s complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in the chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. Allah’s final message to people, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and summing up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammed, (pbuh) peace be upon him, through Gabriel.

What is the Quran?

The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by Allah through angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him. It was memorized by Muhammed (pbuh) and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross checked it during his lifetime.
Not one word of its 114 chapters, Surahs, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammed (pbuh) fourteen centuries ago.

Are there any other sacred sources?

Yes, the Sunnah, the practice and example of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), is the second authority for Muslims. A Hadith is a reliably transmitted report of what the Prophet (pbuh) said, did, or approved. Belief and practice in the Sunnah is part of the Islamic faith.

Muhammed (pbuh) is the Last Messenger

Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said “ The parable of myself and the other prophets is that of a building which is complete except for one brick. Onlookers circle it, marvelling at its construction, but they note the missing brick. It is I who has filled the empty place. No new messenger will come after me, for the building is now complete.”

The Will of Allah

The Will of Allah which is obligatory upon all people to follow, is the one which Allah has revealed for the guidance of people. The Will of Allah is not to be determined by people themselves. Allah has enunciated it clearly and there is no ambiguity about it. Therefore if a person or society is honest and steadfast in its contract with Allah, it must scrupulously fashion its entire life in accordance with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah (practical example) of the Prophet (pbuh).

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It is just a lot of religious stuff. Muslims believe it, others believe their own religious stuff. So what, really......

[Islam] is the fastest growing religion and the whole world will eventually submit to it

It is true that the Muslim population is increasing at a much faster rate. Deal with it. If you cannot stand the Muslim population eventually surpassing the Christian population on planet earth, you either need to massacre the Muslims regularly, or find a way to convince Western women to have more children.

"The whole world will eventually submit to it" does not talk about conquering everyone and making them convert to Islam, as I believe everyone who read the above sentence you pasted (except you, obviously) understood.



To: Rollcast... who wrote (67039)12/11/2002 1:47:00 PM
From: Fred Levine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
Roll-- Please read the upper right part of the Australian Muslim site. It is scary in the inflamatory misinformation being distributed. One of the "news" items was that Israel is preparing to nuke Muslim Holy sites.

Zonder-- even tho I think the personal attacks on you are entirely without merit, the action, as Friedman and others see it, is in bringing the Muslims to the 21 century. The site posted by Roll is scary and reminiscent of the propaganda that led to the holocaust and the Spanish-American war. It is impossible to reason with people who live on a different planet.

fred

PS -- One of my friends is a dean of an Australian University-- I'm emailing her that site. She is a marxist and has the same mixed feelings about the US that you have. I'm rattled by that site.