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To: zonder who wrote (61244)	12/12/2002 5:22:52 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

If you want to believe that the US always intervened in other places out of the goodness of their collective heart, I hope not, zonder, we should be running our Foreign Affairs to further our own selfish interests. However, the "Missionary" impulse keeps rearing it's head.

To: zonder who wrote (61244)	12/12/2002 5:25:22 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 281500

I am sorry but I cannot spend half a day fishing out links and giving dates for all this. If you want to believe that the US always intervened in other places out of the goodness of their collective heart, please be my guest. Name a nation that does. Brumar listed US interventions that helped, rather than hurt, Muslims. You can not be bothered to find any cases where the US has done harm. Quite tellingly, you say this: (Please don't argue about how and why America is not to blame. At the end of the day, the people who lose a loved-one because of an Israeli bullet or lack of antibiotics due to the sanctions turn not to their own people, but to "the other" to blame) In other words, Muslims can't be bothered to look at themselves and their relations with their neighbors as the root cause of their ills, so they have to blame the US. Touching. Derek

To: zonder who wrote (61244)	12/12/2002 7:52:05 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't know why you are shifting the topic from what America has done for Muslims to what our motivation is. I posted a link listing a number of positive things America has done for Muslims in refutation of your statement that Muslims felt "content" over seeing America attacked because America "hurts Muslims around the world": ...dancing in the streets is just the way they act whenever they are content with something - they were content then, because they saw it as the first time they ever hurt back America for the way America hurts Muslims around the world. But now you are saying sure, America has done "good things" but they may not have been done out of the goodness of their collective heart. Well, who cares? I would hope there is some sort of national interest involved although I don't think there always has been. I still don't know how we "hurt Muslims around the world".