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To: KLP who wrote (61462)	12/13/2002 12:42:54 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Anger simmers here And it simmers very highly in Washington, DC. They got hit. They looked out the window and saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon. They are much more pissed about it there than the rest of the country. And they run things.

To: KLP who wrote (61462)	12/13/2002 8:53:48 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I was dreaming last night about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the fire-bombing of Dresden. There was clearly an element, a large element, of vindictiveness involved in these events. It seems clear to me that a large percentage of US citizens become extremely bloody-minded in times of war. In many ways, Jackson was not a nice man, but he was a very effective president -- effective in achieving his goals and the goals of those who elected him. I keep harping on Mead's essays about Jacksonians, Jeffersonians, Wilsonians and Hamiltonians. The Jacksonians are the ones who are really bloody-minded. Think of the Trail of Tears (ordered by President Jackson). According to Mead, when the US is engaged in war, the Jacksonian mode becomes predominant. What 9/11 changed is that before 9/11 we did not think we were engaged in war, and after 9/11, we did, and we have become very bloody-minded - not all of us, but the Jacksonians have, and the Jeffersonians become Jacksonian when provoked.