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To: Rande Is who wrote (8496)	12/13/2002 2:47:37 PM
From: quasi-geezer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 8686

how did he hurt his back ???

To: Rande Is who wrote (8496)	12/13/2002 10:10:01 PM
From: D.Austin	Respond to of 8686

I think so too Rande.. We all are guilty of doing stupid things and making stupid choices. When Tim walked through that jewelry store door he and maybe one other guy will ever know what his true motive was. I have thought of Tim's passing several times today.He will be missed by many. So long Tim.

To: Rande Is who wrote (8496)	1/9/2003 6:42:08 AM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 8686

<<I believe it was clearly intentional. He was anything but stupid. And from what I hear from his friends about the level of pain he was enduring from his back injury, coupled with the recent passing of his dad. . . I would say the odds of it being a third party suicide are better than 90%. I wonder if he ever shopped there before. Rande Is>> i can testify the extreme chronic pain can bring one to suicide. i some how endured for some years excessive chronic pain, but i made a point to have no gun at hand; but, however, i actually kept myself going by re-assuring myself that i could always stop this with suicide, that is, the comfort of knowing there was a solution kept pushing me on one day at a time. I finally reached the level of attacks of what is called "Emergency Room Pain"(your body starts losing control, rapid heart beat, sweating, you feel like your soul is locked in a tall burning building, that being your body, and the only way out is to jump.) I told my Doctor frankly i was going finish this if a solution was not found. That a new experimental surgical device was unhand, i broke free the pain. But that is long story. But i just want to affirm that extreme pain can and does drive some people to suicide. And having been on the brink myself, i have no problem with the choice they make.Max