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To: tejek who wrote (156114)	12/13/2002 6:30:54 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578134

Ted its simple. Hitler's policies were about hate, discrimination, genocide and wars of conquest. Bush isn't proposing that we hate but not quite as much, or that we only put certain ethnic groups in to concentration camps but not extermination camps. You can label Hitler and/or Bush "right wing" if you want, but when you look at their policies they are completly different things. And just for the record, if you knew back when this issue was first discussed that he was considered on the right, you made a pretty impressive effort feigning ignorance of such a suggestion. Not at all. I said most people place Republicans as "moderate right" and Hitler as "extreme right". I just noted that this scheme was not really accurate. You considered Stalin to be on the right rather then the extreme left. Despite the fact that you have a non conventional view of this I won't call you arrogant. But while it is not very accurate to claim that Stalin was a more extreme version of the left it is more accurate then the claim that Hitler is a more extreme version of what we see on the American right. Conservatives and Republicans are not arguing for a little bit of genocide or a little bit of racial hatred. Liberals and Democrats do argue for a little bit of income redistribution and a little bit of centralized control over the economy. Then why so many making such a comparison? People are just trying to be mean? Some of them may be ignorant, others illogical, others just trying to score debating points, others just taking what was considered conventional wisdom and reapplying it without really thinking about the details. I'm sorry.....the conservatives' fear of having more of their paycheck go towards gov't taxes is not the same fear that I'm suggesting Bush is using to his advantage. Its not the difference between being rich and very rich; its the difference between living and dying. Fear is fear. Both sides try to scare the people that the other side is horrible and will cause all sorts of problems. They sometimes honestly point out faults in or questions about the other side often exaggerating them., or they create fear where there is no reason to fear. Bush didn't create the fear. Bin Laden and company did. Bush has his ideas about how to respond to terrorism. You can argue that some of them are wrong but it doesn't amount to creating false fears to deceive and manipulate the population. Tim

To: tejek who wrote (156114)	12/15/2002 4:36:44 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578134

Ted Re...My God, such arrogance.....academia and the world in general determined long ago that Hitler was a rightwinger but still you know better. I will admit Hiltler was conservative if you admit Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,Kim Jong I and II, were liberals. Then why so many making such a comparison? People are just trying to be mean. That is a good question. Why are you making the comparison? But the one thing where Bush and Hitler are consistent.....they both used fear and its us vs them to get what they wanted. Are you trying to say GW planned 9/11? Gw is responding to the fear created by the attack. Hitler, himself created Crystal Nacht. Likewise, you will have a hard time convincing me that GW forced Saddam to invade Iran and Kuwait, forced Saddam to gas his own people, and forced Saddam to ignore the peace treaty. If you have proof that he did force Saddam, please provide a link.